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W(h)ither India?

July 13, 2010

Greetings,

Back from Hampi.

As expected, more lessons received from the land and the living history that is everywhere in Hampi. This time I re-visited cave paintings of un-known age. The themes, besides the hunting ones, are so extra-terrestrial that it simply boggles the mind. Much more to come on Hampi in the following time, next time with HD pictures so you can share to the extent this medium allows.

But today, I wanted to write about dust and darkness. To set as a backdrop, I’d like to say that India, my poor, misguided country, is capitalism’s EPIC FAIL.

Let me say that again for full effect. India is capitalism’s EPIC FAIL.

All the feel-good clap-trap spewed by “Noose” channels aside.

Capitalism’s most implicit function implies (by it’s very name) the efficient application of Capital (read Credit) towards the generally profitable growth of enterprise. I made that up, but it sounds right to me.

India is such a highly or should I say Capitally In-efficient nation, that the recognition of that fact alone can cause this entire facade of progress that we are living, to come crashing down. Capitalism’s growth in India has been created by using legislated and under-the-table in-efficiencies as ways to build crony-capital empires.

No trickle down theory applies here. The trickle downees are stuck in front of their idiot-boxes, mesmerized. Wishing the show would never end. In fact, it would be shockingly and startlingly instructive for every “modern” Indian to do a simple exercise to see how you have been “led” by your nose, to this place of false belief in our “progress” as a “nation”. The sham has been shined into our eyes so brightly that we are, for the most part, like deer in headlights.

Go to the archival section of your local or college library and ask for archival issues of the Times Of India, since let’s say, 2000. One for every 3 months or six at most. Study them and see if you discern any patterns. If you do, please write in to me. I’ll post all the deeply considered ones in a combined post. By the way, anyone in the world can try the same experiment with your own local paper.  We are all in the same boat. We are all a part of and party to capitalism’s failure, in general. But India is definitely Capitalism’s EPIC FAIL. And thank goodness for that, it’ll unwind and return to dust faster here.

Dust.

And darkness.

Capitalism = Light  (please see for more on this )

No light, no power, no efficient use of capital. The light pole is capitalism’s advance guard. A functioning one that provides power that is. India’s power situation is a joke. Sell someone a fridge (refrigerator), built in a factory with guaranteed power from the state. And the poor buyer does not have electricity half the time to let his shiny new fridge run, do it’s work. Total joke on us, and yet, we go on, like sheep. Connedsumers. So, If you agree that power = light = capitalism (ever heard of a dark factory? hmmmmm…. ponder-worthy), India, largly swathed in darkness, is not a good capitalist society.

Metaphorically, it needs the dark places to conduct the dark side of capitalism’s work (bribery, corruption, partisanship, politics, PR…. you get the drift).

So India’s general darkness belies it’s World’s Knowledge Hub/Shining Emerging brIc Star status. It is that for a tiny percentage of Indians. The only trickle down has been in credit, not wealth. Banks have sucked a large (and growing larger by the day) swathe of Indians into debt bondage. It’s all happening right before our eyes, in the collapsing west. No reason to suppose things are different here, in India. In fact, it’ll be much worse as we have become a rather un-civil society (sudden enrichment will do that to any group, large or small). We are dollar drunk, west-dazzled and rather like apes (in the copying sense). Indian sees, Indian does. Clothes (fashion), technology, culture, mannerisms, accent…. monkey see, monkey do. Such a shame to see the death of a great culture at the hands of lightism (capitally speaking).

And dust. How the west abhors dust.

But here, In good old, anti-capitalist India, dust is THE God, at least in terms of it’s omnipotence. Getting into machines, ruining them twice as fast. Mud splattered everything, dust infused to boot. Western Style capitalism has to import it’s entire Atmosphere to work here. Air-conditioning was considered the ultimate luxury up till even the year 2000. Now everyone has it. Computers would die in a day and short a tera-FLOP if they were to work in “natural” Indian conditions for even a week. They’d have to be  ruggedized and tropicalized and hugely expensivezed to allow that. So we build ugly glass encased (dusty glass by the way), expensively air-conditioned failures of architecture to house them and allow us to be ants or bees, take your pick. Dusty India is terribly expensive in true, PPP, real-world terms, but we’ve got lot’s of cheap labour for you. Cheap labour arbitrage, aspirationalized the media, to the extent that we see the emerging  dysfunction, soon to explode, of India’s IT sector.

Delhi’s fastest growing job category, glass cleaners for Corporate buildings. Such a joke, such a waste of human effort, of water. Such a testament to poor design, poor localization, poor utilization of resources.

But there you have them. Dust and darkness, capitalism’s biggest enemies, always at the door in India.

More in a bit!

41 Comments leave one →
  1. July 13, 2010 11:10 pm

    An interesting story arises here, as I stumble (or, in fact- was led to) your site from a post you submitted on digg. I have been reading your past and present blogs, noting your wisdom, foolishness, different perspectives on life, etc, etc.; and am intrigued by the many things you speak of. Please, do not get offended by my words, instead; be complimented, as I seek to further read and reflect upon your experiences.

    Looking forward to reading more,
    SJ

    • July 14, 2010 5:01 pm

      All good SJ. No offense taken.

      Welcome and feel free to join the dialouge.

  2. July 14, 2010 7:15 pm

    I would say not just capitalism, but any kind of industrial process will meet its comeuppance in the subcontinent – no such thing as Hindustrialisation in this still very mystic land, I suppose because we never had our own industrial revolution and the attendant changes in the mindset (measurement, taxonomy, rationality, standardisation, efficiency, etc.)

    For example, an industrial culture will immediately see the rationale for and start to follow rules of traffic. A non-industrial (primitive, if you will) mind will never see it. Accidental death is a result of karma. There is no “wrong side” to a path. etc. etc. We have lakhs of beautiful little villages but we have no idea at all about how to run cities.

    Good luck industrialists, but I think your grand schemes will end up like everything else that has come up against the immovable object that is India – subsumed by the stasis of this ancient civilization. I wouldn’t worry so much about the future of this “once great civilisation”. We’re second last on the industrial wagon and will be the first off it. Back to the land it is for us. If only our mythology had a more socialist flavour, we could aspire to be Cuba.

    • July 15, 2010 2:08 am

      Very well observed and written SVS.
      I always say that I feel India has been dragged kicking and screaming into the industrial world which has a fundamental mis-match with our natural rhythms.

      About the Cuban aspiration though….hmmmmm…. mixed mixed. Some wonderful aspects but ultimately a dictatorship. But I hear you on their medical system, organic block gardens, cultural integrity, simplicity etc. Have you visited there?

      • July 15, 2010 2:56 pm

        Not sure how a dictatorship that brought in all those nice things you mentioned is worse than a democracy that delivers Bush/Obama or Tony Blair :-)

        Never been to Cuba but I am dying to go. I was blown away by Buena Vista Social Club (wim wenders provides a very sophisticated gaze on the island) and from all I’ve read, I really think Cuba provides a great model for “third world” to emulate.

        Enjoying your blog.

        • July 15, 2010 3:43 pm

          Touche svs.
          Don’t forget to mention the world’s largest democracy that has given us Sonia Gandhi in the guise of IMF frontman Manmohan Sing-ji!

          And BVSC was/is amazing. I was hypnotized. Warm, wodden, husky, alive….those are what spring to mind. If you have not seen “One Giant Leap”, you should. Absolutely awesome music and mixing. I’ve seen it a few times over.

          Let me know (and anyone else reading this and checking it out) what you thought about One Giant Leap.

          Funny thing, when I came back from the US, I really wanted an Ambassador. The car I hated when I left is the one I wanted the most when I returned. 3 years on, still looking. And whenever I bemoaned the demise of the “Great Indian Mistry”, who could fix anything, I’d tell bemused garagewallah’s in Delhi and Mysore/Bangalore about Cuba, where their 1940 Cadillacs are still running sharp.
          Definitely a destination, hopefully they come out of the GOM disaster relatively unscathed, though I don’t see how.

  3. Gary Paul permalink
    July 15, 2010 8:41 am

    That was an excellent posting anadianant. Very few people know (or will admit to) the truth about India that you spoke. I think a large part of the fraud is promoted by Western stockbrokers who need something to sucker gullible investors into. The “India = success” story is not new and has been used on gullible investors for centuries! Of course the powerful “Bollywood” film industry is easily able to conjure whatever images and settings are required for the propaganda. Unless people with the right mindset like you and SVS speak out, how can there be any hope of change?

    • July 15, 2010 3:46 pm

      Hi Gary,

      Glad to have you here and read your thoughts/views. Bollywood/Hollywood and the rest are such powerful social engineering tools!

      I hope simpler days are coming, though probably not without a little “Systemic-Upset”, to put it mildly.

  4. ajit permalink
    July 18, 2010 7:02 pm

    Nice try. India would never fit your straitjacket definition of capitalism. India has been n will remain world of dichotomies cohabiting in one of the most synergistic manner. Dude get out of your own :developed: mind set and peep deeper into India. And please for god sakes don take Indian Media as the representative of “voice” as is true in other “true” capitalist societies.

    Any way i love this country more thn ever:)…….

    • July 20, 2010 3:07 pm

      Hi Ajit,

      I think you missed the entire drift of my post. And actually the entire drift of the blog. Your comment is completely off-base on all counts.

      Want to reread and re-comment? Dig around, read some of the other posts maybe?

      Also, no point trying to pass judgement on me and my developed mind. I suggest you visit my other site http://www.squareandc.net.

      And regarding loving India, remember, it is a creation. India the nation-state is a lost place. Totally.

      One of those think before you leap moments had by you perhaps?

  5. July 20, 2010 3:33 pm

    we seem to have lost Ajit’s comment…

    • July 20, 2010 6:19 pm

      found.

  6. Gary Paul permalink
    July 21, 2010 3:05 am

    Ajit is saying that India is fantastic as it is and should never change. It is a complete success. Do you live in India Ajit or are you speaking from your comfortable American home? For every one anadianant or svs, we have at least one lakh Ajits. Plan accordingly.

  7. July 24, 2010 8:14 am

    Hi,
    My response is to first few line about your trip to Hampi; cave paintings in particular.
    Last winter, I too visited Hampi (off season for them!). I was really taken back by the cave paintings that been discovered, may be due to I was reading ‘Supernatural’ by Graham Hancock. It’s his journey into cave arts around the world.
    Personally I feel these cave painting too have history, which may have not explored due infamous ruins of Vijaynagar Empire.
    There was one excellent guide who took me to few remote caves and I have taken pictures of them and will be glad to share the same.
    BTW, good blog.
    Best regards
    G.R

    • July 24, 2010 8:30 am

      Hi GR,

      Great place and astounding history in Hampi, yes?

      Please e-mail me a few of the pictures, I’ll be glad to put them up with due recognition as to their source.

      I don’t carry a camera anymore. Many years now. So, good pictures are more than welcome.

      You can find a mail id for me on my other web-site : http://www.squareandc.net

      Thanks.

  8. August 25, 2010 2:10 pm

    Hi

    Nicely written blog. I understand your concern for the people missing out on development. However, you must not blame Capitalism for the failures of the Indian state.

    Would like you go read my blog on understanding the truth about capitalism.

    http://wp.me/11PLc

    Rahul

    • August 26, 2010 12:40 pm

      Hi Rahul Garu, thanks for the compliment and actually I’m not concerned about people missing out on development. I think development as it is defined today is bad for us. All of us. I wish to get de-developed! :-)

      Will peruse your blog, thanks for the link and please dig around some more to see what’s really being said here.

      • lone ranger permalink
        February 2, 2011 5:48 pm

        but a culture can’t un-develope it’s, self, that has to do it.
        i am just wHoled up, undeveloping.

        • February 3, 2011 5:30 am

          :-)

  9. Tom permalink
    December 6, 2010 3:00 pm

    Commie talk. You just repeat the same thing over and over without providing any backup info. As though repeating will make it the truth. In spite of all the problems, capitalism is flourishing in India. It is lifting millions out of poverty every year. That is trickle down in effect. Of course we have a long way to go but we are headed in the right direction.

    • December 6, 2010 3:09 pm

      Hmmmmm, Tom, are your feet on the ground in India? Frequent visitor at least? Deeply studied India’s reality? Walked amongst the masses? Spoken to people who live under some of the worst working conditions in the Industrial world? Seen what people eat to get by? Tried to do business here? Everything happened smoothly and without a glitch? Drank water fearlessly, from a poor man’s home too? Met and asked the true condition of the Outsourcing Job Masses with their upside down lives?

      If you consider the ability to buy a television or a two wheeler as a delivery boy for pizza hut progress, we are simply on a different page. OR access to Allopathetic “health care”?

      If you have, give some real back-up yourself. I’ve written extensively about what I feel. Your four line dismissal sounds weak.

  10. December 6, 2010 4:13 pm

    I like the way you write, but sorry, I do not agree with what you have written here. I won’t judge you as a person or the blog as a whole as i am yet to read it, but you seem to resent capitalism a bit too much. OF course the Trickle down effect hasn’t worked in India, but ut is only because of the dismal education sector, as every year more and more people get semi-skilled, you will eventually see the trickle down effect as it was supposed to happen. Afterall, you cannot put an illiterate person in front of the lathe machine or in front of a computer in a BPO.

    As for power and refrigerators, they are the biggest proof of the success of capitalism in India. Capitalism has exposed the Indian public to consumer electronics and has been able to make it into a huge market, faster than the Indian government was able to make Power plants. Though I will point out that this is not the case in states like Gujarat.

    So, my suggestion to you is to be patient and reasonable in your expectations both of India and capitalism.

    • December 6, 2010 4:29 pm

      Payoj, the core of what I feel about India’s coming implosion is from seeing, first-hand, for over a decade in the US/Australia and all over Europe, the effects of the same credit driven consumption madness that is being thrust upon India’s bewildered, TV smitten, ad bombarded masses (sheeple). Culture holds the fabric of a nation together. Current Indian culture is a joke, no coherence, no thread, no blend. Just whole-sale westernism with a bindi!
      India is a Kleptocracy, not a democracy. The kleptocracy will keep a stranglehold on power. Notice how many goonda politicians India has?
      To imagine this beautiful, wild, varied and rich nation was ever meant to be sitting on a cheap three peace sofa set, watching mind-numbing “programs” on a large screen TV, being sold this and that by celebrities….fatter, more in their heads, speaking badly, behaving really badly…. that is heartbreaking.

      White goods and cable TV do not make a place more civil. Or civilized.

      If you walk down a dark street in most any US or European city, you’ll get the point.

      Quickly.

      Thanks for writing in and for the appreciation.

      • December 7, 2010 1:32 pm

        Your views are interesting…especially from the point of view of a pro-capitalism person like me…Of course, I cannot justify to my mind what you have been trying to reason, but it is a good view of the other side…But is culture really that important? I would like to know what other ways there are that you think capitalism has harmed india, and what alternative you think we should rather tread…because to me, even the idea of anything other than capitalism working in India does not hold merit…Do have a look at my blog…especially the following post…

        http://dudiestdude.blogspot.com/2010/05/ipl-most-explicit-exercise-in_17.html

        • December 7, 2010 1:47 pm

          Payoj, here is a simple, but telling pointer to the true nature of capitalism.

          Capitalism needs to flog the Darwinist theory that this world is about the survival of the fittest. Dog eat dog, destroy your competition etc. Giving it a Darwinist underpinning and flogging said Darwinism to the masses through the “education” system, made us believe that Capitalism is natural.

          Nothing could be farther from the truth and Darwinism has been thoroughly discredited. Darwin was a massive fake.

          Take away that core underpinning of Darwinism, it’s reason for being dis-appears.

          Nature is demand-side oriented, capitalism is supply-side oriented.

          Please visit my design web-site to see my technological solution. Of the rest, too many to list here. Perhaps over the life of this blog or as they happen, I’ll chronicle them?

          Thanks for the link to your blog, we have resonant views, even if different frequencies.

        • December 7, 2010 1:51 pm

          And also, without culture, no humanity as we know it.

          Please see: http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/70/

  11. FreeStateYank permalink
    February 24, 2011 10:18 pm

    Always enjoy reading your posts over on ZeroHedge and thought I’d drop by. Happy I did so.

    Interesting take and if expanded, might help explain some of the problems the ‘West'; otherwise known as Anglo-northern European, trying to ‘help’ other nations to achieve the same ‘success.’

    The Yankee model is yet a bit different from that of their cousins across the pond.

    At some point, it makes me wonder if there isn’t something in our DNA which has been passed on as ‘survivor’ mutations from our ancestors geographical peculiarities. If hair, eye, skin color and propensity for a particular disease and athletic prowess can be passed on, why not some behavioral characteristics?

    So to your point, perhaps some folks are more wired for a particular sort of enterprise or economy. Even here in the land of the free, home of the brave, I have come to discover that many people really don’t seek as much ‘freedom’ as they think. Because, it involves a fair amount of risk. I, and my family, are quite comfortable taking on more risk, but sadly, we really don’t have much choice in the matter as we’ve been prodded, like reluctant sheep, into governmental chutes, whether we like it or not.

    Quite a few of us do not like it. We would also say we’ve not had a free market system for 100 years+. Now things are coming to a head, because those on the government teet, including government workers are supported by those in the private sector who have noticed they are seriously getting the shaft. Their tax dollars are sent around the planet, for little good effect, many working for the government have compensation, job security, and retirement benefits the public sector could not imagine.

    Those who seek some sort of corportist/socialist utopia insist that everyone should be on the same plan, but that just won’t work. Besides, with the way government works, many bright, creative types would die of boredom sitting day in, day out in a cubicle ‘working’ on some sort of busy work project that won’t do any good for anyone anywhere….other than earn the ‘producer’ a paycheck.

    Combined with a monetary policy which continually debases the purchasing power of the attractively engraved paper, folks are feeling rather like a hamster on a wheel. Going nowhere.

    But it’s not capitalism to blame. I’d say it’s been the steady intrusion of the social engineers and planners that are the problem. Trying to impose on everyone their ‘ideal’ society. And the less a dollar purchases and the more nonsense ‘rules’ are created, the harder it gets to opt out of the system and do your own thing. Because the prices for everything continue to climb and thus, make earning enough engraved paper more and more vital for basic survival… or going with the alternative of becoming a tame pet and holding out your hand after pushing the bar for the gov’t cheese to come out of the machine.

    As an alternative, Cuba has plenty of problems, though, including the need for oodles of transfer payments over the years from their richer ideological brethren.

    Don’t know what the answers are, though. If you figure it out, that would be wonderful! An economist friend said there will always be a need for slaves [not physical, but economic] and Jesus said the poor will always be among you. So, government trying to ‘raise all boats’ seems a bit futile as I think the other two have it right.

    On another note altogether, I noted Palin is the keynote dinner speaker at a big do over in India in April. N. Ferguson is speaking. As is Mr. Singh.

    Any thoughts on India’s public opinion about Gov. Palin?

    • February 25, 2011 12:40 pm

      Freestate, thanks for the insightful comment. We are clearly in accord on most things.
      And I do believe, literally, that culture is the womb we grow into and it impacts us, hugely. i like the word egregore, the manifestation of the collective mind. Very interesting to see what gets passed and what does not. unfortunately, in this de-volving spiral time, good stuff is getting flung off.

      Please see http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/70/ if called, my thoughts on Culture.

      And I damn nearly fell off my chair when I heard Palin was coming to India. Not a good sign at all. neither mr. blowhard NFergie.
      India is clearly in the cross-hairs for massive social engineering, already, massively underway.

  12. Stephen Baze permalink
    June 26, 2011 1:58 am

    Interesting that I , a life long full fledge capitailst pig, now want to become a goat herder hippy and my Indian brethren beg for capitalisim ever larger although thye know not what they ask for in completion. To be clear, I have raised goats previously in my younger days and lived in a tent for some time in the woods. Bagged it all went for teh good life just like some here are now about to do. Full circle indeed eh ! I think my timing is better this time though than teh Hindis. Good luck to all .

    • June 26, 2011 4:29 am

      Stephen, cycles. All about cycles.
      When I came back to India in 2006, having been in the US for 12 years and seeing the deleterious effects of mammon madness on everything, I wanted to shake up and wake up everyone to what is a logical extension to the path we were on.
      But India is currently an aspirationalized society, hungry for all the world of “engineered” goods (bads?)…….and the momentum is overwhelming. India…..hmmmmmmmm……but there is an inevitability to the cyclical nature of all things, so we too will consume ourselves into hades on earth also! Sad and inevitable.

  13. December 30, 2011 9:14 pm

    Perhaps the insights in these articles – websites, might shed some new perspectives.

    http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning

    http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning_part_2

    https://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/ending-poverty-and-political-turmoil/

  14. Richard permalink
    December 31, 2011 5:04 am

    Hello, Anadianant.

    I linked into your blog from Zero Hedge and just wanted to say how movingly you write of conditions in India, especially your insights into the apparent destruction of the ancient culture of that place and the inimical effects of a foreign system on it. I have a book for you to read. Here’s a link that will take you to a page at Alibris.com, where you can order the book for less than US$10. It is titled “I’ll Take My Stand: The South and the Agrarian Tradition.” There are several books with that title on the page to which the link will take you, but the one I am recommending to you is “by Twelve Southerners.” This book, written by twelve Southern writers in the 1930s (Robert Penn Warren, Allen Tate, Cleanth Brooks, etc), consists of a series of essays that are basically explanations of the agrarian tradition of the American South and protests against the inimical effects of Yankee capitalism on the traditional agrarian culture and people of the South, using some of the very same phrases and observations that you use in your blog. As I read your blog, I was struck–forcefully–by the similarity. From what you have written in your excellent and insightful blog, I think that, as you read “I’ll Take My Stand,” you will feel that it might have been written about India only yesterday. I think it will resonate with you and that it will help you to focus the feelings that you are experiencing about the dissolution of the traditional India. It will, I believe, sharpen your observations about India, and it will show you that other people–people of whom you probably would not have thought, if you lump all Americans together into one category, as most people do–have undergone exactly the things that you describe so movingly in your blog. You will see that the feelings you have are in many ways universal. It is a fine book. Very readable. It will speak to your soul. I recommend it to you very highly.

    Keep up your excellent blog. And keep your faith in your people and culture. They may be submerged at present, but they have survived many things, and they will survive this present situation, too. Here’s the link:

    http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?keyword=I%27ll+Take+My+Stand&mtype=B&hs.x=43&hs.y=11

    kindest regards,
    Richard

    • January 1, 2012 6:35 pm

      Thank you Richard. For your thought-full and kind comment. I’ll definitely check out I’ll Take My Stand (Nice title).

      And yes, good to pay heed to (not)losing faith in people… I’d turned deeply inward as a way to allowing what was called to come to me, insights, people…the lot…

      Most unfortunately, the din of industrialization’s harsh grate with India is not kind to a music-maker’s ears.

      Thanks for sharing. Will revert after I read the book.

  15. Richard permalink
    December 31, 2011 5:10 am

    Oh, and at Alibris.com, do not order from any seller whose rating is lower than five stars. Sorry, Forgot to tell you that. Happy reading!

    kind regards,
    Richard

  16. spurge permalink
    April 4, 2013 8:42 pm

    Thoughts from America (U.S. to be exact):
    Yes, it importanT not TO operate under the delusion that over here, good old Western-style capitalism operates any more efficiently or to any greater effect for the general good, regardless of the misrepresentations in our ‘now-globally-reaching’ media. Climate may be different, but effect upon the poor by the miniscule greedy elite is the same.
    -from someone who lives it.

    [I define myself as one of the educated under-employed working poor; people who knew me in earlier school days might erroneously wish to categorize me as member of American 'middle class' (because of my college degree); they would likewise be operating under their own delusions......] Hunger and want do not care about your higher education. Nor does the very government which harped upon it as a prerequisite to becoming a productive member of society.]

    On the other hand, we have no ancient culture to destroy…..though we do quite well in destroying not-so-ancient cultures….both here and abroad…

    • April 5, 2013 4:01 am

      well said all around spurge.

  17. September 13, 2013 1:49 pm

    Have read 2 of your blog posts & can’t help thinking “Yet another NRI sittin’ in da US de A & bemoaning the ‘loss’ of culture. Ahem, if it weren’t for the brits we wouldn’t be Indian, or typing it out here in Hinglish. I do agree with a lot of what you put down here. But if you actually go into the smaller towns you’ll know that India never got off the band-wagon of ‘Bwana Better’. What everyone on here is railing about isn’t due to Capitalism but due our inherent refusal to drag ourselves & develop ourselves without looking to the West for help.

    • September 15, 2013 3:27 am

      Jellifer, thanks for your rather cogent and interesting comments.

      First on, I’m no armchair NRI, came back here in 2006 and live in bangalore, the heart of the madness. So I speak from experience, not conjecture.
      Also, I appreciate the fact that yoru experience is/was good, but I’m speaking in general from a much higher vantage point, much much higher. And from there, you see currents of socian engineering, mass movements in our evolution as a nation/species etc.

      Try this one…

      http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/of-tipping-points-and-shape-shifting/

      and this

      http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/death-of-shame-death-of-nobility/
      And I could not agree more as to the looking out/west versus looking in. Huge pet peeve of mine.

      Do share further…good to have alternate perspectives all around….

  18. December 29, 2013 6:47 am

    From our Waking Times ‘Siren Servers’ conversation:
    VIVEK, hello again.
    Thank you for your reply and the link to this on your blog:

    W(h)ither India?

    http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/whither-india/

    “The themes [in the Hampi cave paintings], besides the hunting ones, are so extra-terrestrial that it simply boggles the mind.”

    Did you mean this “extra-terrestrial” themes literally, or as merely a euphemism. I’m a person who since the 1970s has seen 30+ UFOs and written about the fantastic technology in the Mahabharata, etc. So naturally my keen interest. But I respect your view either way.

    As a non-Indian I could never say these things as you have said:

    “The trickle downees are stuck in front of their idiot-boxes, mesmerized. Wishing the show would never end. In fact, it would be shockingly and startlingly instructive for every “modern” Indian to do a simple exercise to see how you have been “led” by your nose, to this place of false belief in our “progress” as a “nation”. The sham has been shined into our eyes so brightly that we are, for the most part, like deer in headlights.”

    My focus is the Sanskrit texts, but I love Indian culture, music and film. And it’s not right for me as a foreigner to criticize. I have in my own way tried to understand India, which is so vastly complex in every way. I have never been there, but I do love ‘my’ India, meaning the one in my heart and mind.

    So this assessment of yours, which I don’t doubt, makes me feel sad. I knew there were still vast distances between the rich and the rest, but I was hoping for change – especially for the women, not that the working men have it so easy.

    “The only trickle down has been in credit, not wealth. Banks have sucked a large (and growing larger by the day) swathe of Indians into debt bondage. It’s all happening right before our eyes, in the collapsing west. No reason to suppose things are different here, in India.”

    I was beginning to think India was being set up by the world banksters. So many new loans and every effort to move them away from gold. The writer of “India Calling” worked for the IHT and now for the NY TImes, so his view is biased by privilege. However fascinating.

    I intend to read more of your blog, which is a particular interest to me. As an Indian film fan, I began to wonder what happened between Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge and Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani! I hope you catch my absurd humor here. Do you think the website Outlook India is good, meaning not completely biased?

    BTW, I am 68 and live in New Zealand.

    • January 7, 2014 1:41 pm

      Dear Susan, thanks for sharing like you have.

      Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately, one of my primary roles in this life time is a bubble-burster. Mine first, of course.

      So yes, India is at a major cross-roads, perhaps all of us are at this point.

      Please read this post of mine when able…

      http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/apocalypse-now/

      Such are the times. I too have an idyllic image of New Zealand (never been, came close in 2000) which I’m sure the Maori people would beg to differ with. And then there is the harsh reality of Australia, which I experienced first hand in Melbourne….

      The fabric of life in general is stretched, yes?

      If you would like to visit, be happy to help. Everyone on a Journey should experience India once, deeply. :-)

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