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Then again people choose Yoga over Gurdjieff….

January 31, 2011

Greetings,

While exchanging posts with an enigmatic and very well read Zero Hedgian, going by the Handle Gully Foyle, he said this:

Then again people choose Yoga over Gurdjieff….

Really got me thinking.

What is all this choice con-fronting us for? Con-front is “with” front. In your face. And why is it such a mantra, a must have, a right, by god, give me choice….

Yoga over Gurdjieff  is a topic for a book. Especially if you have read his master tome and other books. Beelzbub’s Tales to his grandson. A must read. A mind-twisting attempt at “perfect” literature, perfectively objective that is. Possibly the best I’ve read, and I’ve read a lot.

So choice. Talked about it before, Choice = Cognitive Dissonance.

Choice enables the splitting of our personae. What a great argument for simplicity. The less you have, the less you know you need. That is the virtuous cycle inverse of the current mantra….the more you have, the more you need to have.

Look where they end up….. Spare and alive vs. bloated and barely so.

The line that brought me here is multi-contextual for me, so please  forgive the meandering.

Yoga is the most completely mis-understood exercise form of this time. Why? First, occam’s razor and Cui bono…. who wants you to be healthy? Does a healthy person benefit the Pharmaco-government complex?

The dominant trend-setters of this version of Mother Culture’s dystopia are all life-negative archetypes. The sportsperson, the actor, the politician, the banker, the industrialist. And they all espouse Yoga. Big red flag.

You see, the rub and the nub and the hub of the issue is that Yoga was never about exercise. Yoga was/is all about self-restraint. Fractal self restraint. The focus on strength inverts the very foundation of Yoga, physical Yoga that is.

It was always meant to be a way in, not a builder of muscles or fine physiques.

Also, the topic of my short exchange with Gully was about Science fiction becoming science fact.

If I look at the world around me today, the Solution Set that leaps out at me would have all of the terminology and naming from Dune, the mind-bending work of Frank Herbert.

Also, so much happening since the Stairwell Sigtar dot joining exercise of a week or so ago.

The bird and fish deaths continued unabated, though were neatly kept off the mainstream press after a brief ratings surge. Un-abated. Please goole the phrase and check. Massive fish kill off Maryland, 2 million (how do they count two million fish? makes me suspicious of their counting methodology).

And a twin cyclone system bears down on flood ravaged queensland. I hope the significance of Queen’s Land being flooded is obvious. What does it foretell for London?

And what of those poor Queenslanders, all prepared for Centuries of Global Warming induced droughts, now caught in flooding of biblical proportions. Australia rapes it’s land on a massive scale, especially in the resource rich Queensland State (Coal is the big one, also wheat)…. we are going to learn, faster and faster what the payback for 4 centuries of scorched earth capitalism will look like. May I suggest that it is going to be a little harsh?

Egypt is afire. Or so main stream and alternative media will have us believe. Live pictures tell no lies. The people are furious. But mis-directed anger, righteous especially, is such a huge waste of human energy. And no one knows what the game is, for this North African/Middle East Crisis is engineered. Food shortages soon to add to the tinder-box. Israel, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia….

And flooding in Saudi Arabia? Hmmmmm……

And in the interesting parallism, fractalism that is life, I’m reading a book called Inhuman Architecture by Hugo Kukelhaus.

Brilliant work, making a strong case for why these buildings of hard lines, bland surfaces and poor ventilation and lighting, robbing us of everything we need, to grow… have been harsh prisons for our nurturing, not wombs, but prisons.

He said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

“What exhausts us is not making use of the possibilities of our organs and senses, their subjugation and suppression. What constitutes them is development. Development through the engagement with a world that wholly challenges me.”

“The development of man is optimally supported by that environment which provides multifarious well-proportioned stimulations. Notwithstanding the question if this world of stimuli consists of physical or social circumstances and factors – its multifariousness is life’s condition.”

“We have for centuries sought to replace experience with knowledge. What a spare world we now live in!”

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So true and yet we consume out of convenience and consumptive compulsion……think about how closely food is tied to culture and then look at the focus on food in today’s times (form over function, in food…truly a bizarre world) and how much we all over-eat.

What drives us to this un-natural state of dis-ease. Look around. We are soft and round while our manufactured world is hard and straight.

And since we cannot be hard and straight on the outside, try as we might, we become hard and stiff on the inside. Unbending minds in yoga-flexible bodies.

Such a paradox and such a sign of these times.

Fascinating…

For today’s visual shocker… Chinese Oil Inferno…

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For the rest, please see:  Chinese Oil Inferno Pictures on Rense.com

And then, the Ship on which I’d done my training in the Indian Navy, INS Vindhyagiri, hit a merchant vessel in Mumbai Harbour and is sitting on the bottom, listing, aflame.

Thanks for reading, definitely strange days…..

By the way, I’ve discovered that it’s perfectly okay to be serious.

Seriously!

😉

24 Comments leave one →
  1. lone ranger permalink
    January 31, 2011 10:25 pm

    well i thought this was going to be about yoga. i don’t know any a thing. i do yoga or stretching or my personal self-restraint. it really is a challenge for my body to do my session. if i am upset i don’t go that way, usually. but just to let you know, i start with my sitting poses first. plus, some times hard to read you with your use of big words.

    • February 1, 2011 2:40 am

      Kathy, Yoga as physical exercise is less than half the story. To each his/her own path though, eh? What “form” do you practice? I hope not Bikram!!!

      • lone ranger permalink
        February 1, 2011 3:46 pm

        what form do i follow. i don’t follow no F O R M. i write my own script, until i can’t. i will see what happens, when i see it. thanks, your new best reader, i really try with all of your words.

        • February 1, 2011 4:45 pm

          Awesome kathy. Listen to your “self”. Even my words are hardly necessary.
          Your body IS a temple.
          Appreciate your sincerity.
          🙂

      • anasana permalink
        March 10, 2011 7:52 pm

        Bikram’s yoga makes me feel better pretty consistantly. It is more effective than drugs or alchohol, more effective than therapy, and more effective than “exercise.” bikram is an offshoot of sivananda, yogananda’s brother is bikrams guru. bishnu focused on physical culture, ie training the body. this is a deviation or an extraction of the whole picture but still serves a purpose. bikram choudury is a pompous ass and objectionable on many levels but he did synthesize a good routine, distilling his experience perscribing asanas to patients in the ayruvedic way, into a safe and thorough work through of the muscle groups, joint structures and organ systems. It clears pathways and facilitates better flow of prana. i agree though western hatha practice is not inward seeking, but then neither is western culture. the essence of meditation that i derive from my bikram practice is a triumverate of braided heierarchy: aware, create, surrender. remain aware- observe, remain creative within each moment, asanas are like slow moving ballet, an art, surrender -it is this that lets us in, it is letting go of fear, letting go of resistance within the elasticity of the body that then gets mirrored into psychology. we learn to let go of limiting beliefs or misunderstood perceptions. granted, you will not hear this from most bikram instructors, but i do know one!

  2. scout permalink
    February 1, 2011 1:17 am

    Interesting exchange at ZH here and also the one a few days ago regarding collectivism….the times are getting curiouser and curiouser….

    It seems our present pardigm is one focusing/preying heavily on that limbic/mammalian part of our brains. An overdosed, dopamine-addicted World…no balance whatsoever. And especially no emphasis on developing our higher prefontal cortex region. And, apply a little bit of usury coupled with those “7 deadly(mammalian)sins”, it always ends up in these boom-bust cycles. And maybe this time around, we finally will come to the end of a grand supercycle. Since we are in Mother Culture’s womb, maybe our gestation period is over?? We are having a few pre-labor contractions here and there with birth pains soon-to-be everywhere???

    …..wikileeks, ufos over jeruesalum, hollywood surreality….there has to be a biblical tie-in at some point before 2013. A manisfestation of pure fabrication to set further dominoes in motion. The Dominionists rising………

    • February 1, 2011 2:44 am

      Curiouser and curiouser indeed Scout.
      Nice Mother Culture/timing analogy. Gestation period over, we’re going to slide down a dark tunnel into an alien(to us) world.
      Exciting eh?
      Thanks for your well considered thoughts.

  3. February 1, 2011 2:38 pm

    I think Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Nicoll would remind us about the perils of identification. There is no possibility for the machine of organic life, to outpace that which resides above, or for that matter, that which resides below. Everything happens in the only way it can happen. The individual is another matter, like a solitary prisoner that escapes during the mass riot, while the guards are otherwise occupied.

    I like your sardonic references to the culture of yoga, perhaps someone will look closer at the origin of that school.

    Thanks for sharing your stimulating ideas and clarity. It provides good food for thought.

    Eso

    • February 1, 2011 2:53 pm

      Glad you find this mind-tickling Eso. That is the idea.
      And yes, the automaton is an automaton till he isn’t. It’s a binary moment at the end of a long road (or ladder as G described the Fourth way).
      Thanks for writing in.

  4. Sahadatti permalink
    February 1, 2011 7:37 pm

    The world died months ago. I live in this cave. I never leave. Just drink fresh water, read through the internet, download ebooks, hundreds of them, thousands of them, I read and I write. I do nothing else now. They won’t let me out until I have finished this book. I am surfing through an seemingly endless sea of words, dots, letters. I’ve turned to all the gods I could find. Cali, Baal, Jahwe, Allah, desert gods, godesses of the moon and the sun – Osiris in that boat, crossing the skies to meet the snake at night.

    The world is in turmoil. At first I was in denial. Left or Right was the question of the hour – neither I was, neither I will be. But when the house of the gladiators collapsed, one autumn day, I was terrified.

    Air, Fire, Earth and Water – oh Heraclit, my old, old friend, where are you now? It seems an eternity since we met. And where is Schopenhauer, my old enemy? A man who poisned so many souls. I’ve watched with awe the rising of Aurelian – emperor one day, dead and almost forgotten the other. They buried him by the river.

    I was born in this divided town, full of smog and weapons, that one day opened up. Those sharp lines, that inhumane architecture which contained desperate and brave voices. I’ve seen the end of a system. My body hurts. My heart races. Is it night? – I lost the idea of night – where is Cassiopeia now? The stars of my youth – do they still exist? Cassiopeia – you’ve always led me – winter, spring,summer,autumn, winter… The songs of the Upanishads – the rivers of words…

    I am afraid of death. Then I remind myself, I am not afraid of death, I am afraid of pain and of dying. Not being able to finish this damn book. To rest another eternity in my prison. It is not natural for man to stay so long in a cave. But alas, I am not allowed to go. I have to write, I have to read. I hope, I’ll survive = I and the idea of me. All my breath is focused on this book. But then: isn’t a word also a prison of thought? What I describe is not what I’ve imagined. The words are now like desert gods and I feel alone in this horrible sandstorm.

    • February 2, 2011 8:38 am

      Beautiful Sahadatti.
      Is this purposeful prose or your reality?
      Thanks for sharing.

  5. Limic permalink
    February 2, 2011 2:10 pm

    Between the Dome Of The Rock U.F.O and a rare Houston snowstorm this has definately been a hectic week.

    • February 2, 2011 2:17 pm

      Indeed Limic. How about the mega-snowstorm in the US and a once-in-a-lifetime Typhoon Yasi in Australia.
      And this is just a fore-taste of things to come.

      • February 2, 2011 9:30 pm

        Just spoke with my aunt in Cairns. Prayers answered – Cairns spared the worst of Yasi.

        Interesting interview on (government-run) ABCTV with outspoken independent MP from Far North Qld late last night. He accused media of spreading “terror”, “terrorising” people in days leading up to Yasi, due their excessive hyperbole. Went on to try and give some confidence to viewers and listeners, by highlighting that houses in region are built to Australian Standards viz. withstanding cyclonic conditions, so, even if damage and even some collapses, with sensible precautions (re bunkering in strongest room etc) there’s little reason to be terrified for personal safety. A good man.

        • February 3, 2011 3:50 am

          Thanks for that on ground update TBI. Never imagined that “they” would be hyping Yasi more than they needed to, fear-mongering. Now that you say it, makes perfect sense.

          *head shake*

  6. February 2, 2011 9:23 pm

    Thank you for this introduction to Gurdjieff.

    Was helping a friend with a customer job recently, feeling frustrated in waiting for him, having promptly completed my assigned half of the task. Sat down outside customer’s garage, shaded from a very hot sun by the eave. Was still. And found calm again.

    The following thought sprang to mind. Interestingly, in light of comments above, I really felt a strong need to blog the complete thought, including what would normally have not occurred to me. An otherwise superfluous clarification (“in times like these”). Now I understand why. Thank you to the commenters above:

    I Don’t Know why we think strength is seen in action.

    I do know, in times like these it takes more strength to be still.

    • February 3, 2011 3:52 am

      I do know, in times like these it takes more strength to be still……

      Excellent observation TBI. It does indeed and there is a huge secret of incercise. (as opposed to ex-cersice).

      And with Gurdjieff, if you feel called read In search of the Miraculous and Meetings With Remarkable Men. Just superb. Then, his masterpiece. Glad to make the introduction.

      • February 3, 2011 6:27 am

        Thank you for the advice re starting point with Gurdjieff. Much appreciated.

  7. February 3, 2011 8:26 am

    Ha! Yet again you remind me of books I’ve read and should read again. BTTHG I read when I was 20 and didn’t understand, but the images have remained with me. G recommends reading it 3 times. I shall start on the second read and maybe in 25 years time I’ll read it for the third time!
    Thanks again mate, top blogging.

    • February 3, 2011 9:01 am

      🙂 I’m on a stuttering second read myself. But it’s not grabbing. So I’m waiting. Books are like that sometimes, eh?
      Your appreciation is sincerely appreciated.

  8. kathy permalink
    February 12, 2011 12:25 pm

    red fox siting @ 3:30 AM mr fox looks at me when i call his name. when it snows i can see tracks. or in the mud you can see tracks, as well†

  9. February 21, 2013 3:48 pm

    My view : Gurdjieff is very hard to understand, lots of supposedly secret stuff – yoga is not, you can buy the books on Amazon and if you use them yes they give results.

    Gurdjieff’s value is that he emphasises direct contact with the world and being able to WORK in the world, that is tremendously valuable – and personally I use it … but I am also using yoga and buddhist meditation, together, all together.

    Gurdjieff texts are written in a very hard to understand manner which … I am not sure is necessary. There is a lot of masochism, as there is in Goenka Vipassana, and Bikram Yoga – that’s for sure, masochism is an old favourite.

    Tantra a la Osho is fantastic, and if you can dance and screw your way to freedom … why not … but beware a lot of those guys seem never to meditate. But, it’s up to you what you do of course.

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