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Truth about America…truth about us…

February 16, 2011


At times like this, with obfuscation and dis-tractions flying fast and furious, it’s crucial to understand how we got here. I’ve written a lot about the physical, meta-physical and what I call somato-spiritual aspects of our decline as a species, as a people and sadly and most importantly as in-dividuals.

Please pay attention to that last word. Individual. That which cannot be divided.

Of course, a cursory look at the mirror will tell us otherwise. A more than cursory look at the mirror of our mind tells us even more. Our inner mirror lies in a million pieces. We are instruments at effect, not engines of cause. Slave to convenience, slaves to fear, slaves to peer pressure, slaves to gods and prophets with clay feet and all. If interested, you can take the time to dig through early posts here, which expand a lot on the issues above. And how to come back to our “selves”.

Yet, all that aside, there is a very real dimension to this maya-prison we find ourselves in. It is a prison whose walls have been built, brick by brick, in the innermost recesses of our minds. And impressed on our bodies since the day we were born. In this time of great and greater illusion, we are but reflections of the whim, fancy and tastes of others, to whom we have given up our rights to “self” determination.

We’ve been fractured by choice. Left in the space between fight and flight, cognitively dissonate and stuck.

How was this prison built? Who allowed it to happen? How did a small group gather the means to pull off such a heist of the global-mind?

To understand this, to an extent anyway, one needs to understand the metastasis of the United States of America into the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And why America? For it represents the best and the worst of human potential. The world’s largest economy, the world’s largest army, the world’s largest “entertainment” industry, the world’s largest culture exporter and now, it’s latest avaatar, the world’s largest exporter of democracy. Quite the sham and scam. Hollywood and Wall street. Washington DC and the Pentagon. The CIA and the host of three letter agencies, controlling the world, effectively since America entered the First World War.

As goes America, so goes the world.

To those who deny there is a plan behind the madness we see all around, I suggest you Google and read the words of General Albert Pike, Freemason. you just might be surprised. To quote his most famous letter, relevant to this time we are in: (by the way, it was purported to have been written in 1871):


The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”


Back to how they did it? Well, money makes the world go around. ergo, the controllers of money make the world go round.

Who controls the money? What is a central bank? How come almost every nation has one? What is the BIS? Who controls the BIS?

Back again to the US and the Federal Reserve. More details at some later point, but I wanted to launch this in-sight by sharing an on-record speech by rep. James Trafficant in the American House of Representatives.

Trafficant found himself in Jail on charges of dealings with the Mafia, racketeering etc. in Ohio in 2002 and served a 7 year sentence.

Other than him, the most outspoken critic of the Federal Reserve and it’s “collection agency” the IRS was Congressman Louis McFadden. Do a search and read his speeches. He was killed for his views.

This web is so vast and mind-boggling (purposely so, it disallows anyone except the most diligent to unravel it), that one needs to see pieces at a time, and then, in mosaic fashion, pull it all together.

Many things Trafficant says in this speech will be familiar to “conspiracy” theorists and possibly news to many. I suggest you research some of the things you find un-believable. Also think for a moment that this man said this in the House of Representatives….. on record…

More soon…the speech…


Subject:  .The Bankruptcy of The United States
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:

“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are
official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt
entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth
hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a
coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International
Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now
operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers.
With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the
receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the
United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an
established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This
act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office
of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International
Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part:
“The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing
the United States.”

Gold and silver were such a powerful money during the founding of the
united states of America, that the founding fathers declared that only gold
or silver coins can be “money” in America. Since gold and silver coinage
were heavy and inconvenient for a lot of transactions, they were stored in
banks and a claim check was issued as a money substitute. People traded
their coupons as money, or “currency.” Currency is not money, but a money
substitute. Redeemable currency must promise to pay a dollar equivalent in
gold or silver money. Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) make no such promises,
and are not “money.” A Federal Reserve Note is a debt obligation of the
federal United States government, not “money?’ The federal United States
government and the U.S. Congress were not and have never been authorized by
the Constitution for the united states of America to issue currency of any
kind, but only lawful money, -gold and silver coin.
It is essential that we comprehend the distinction between real money and
paper money substitute. One cannot get rich by accumulating money
substitutes, one can only get deeper into debt. We the People no longer have
any “money.” Most Americans have not been paid any “money” for a very long
time, perhaps not in their entire life. Now do you comprehend why you feel
broke? Now, do you understand why you are “bankrupt,” along with the rest of
the country?

Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are unsigned checks written on a closed
account. FRNs are an inflatable paper system designed to create debt through
inflation (devaluation of currency). when ever there is an increase of the
supply of a money substitute in the economy without a corresponding increase
in the gold and silver backing, inflation occurs.

Inflation is an invisible form of taxation that irresponsible governments
inflict on their citizens. The Federal Reserve Bank who controls the supply
and movement of FRNs has everybody fooled. They have access to an unlimited
supply of FRNs, paying only for the printing costs of what they need. FRNs
are nothing more than promissory notes for U.S. Treasury securities
(T-Bills) – a promise to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve Bank.
There is a fundamental difference between “paying” and “discharging” a
debt. To pay a debt, you must pay with value or substance (i.e. gold,
silver, barter or a commodity). With FRNs, you can only discharge a debt.
You cannot pay a debt with a debt currency system. You cannot service a debt
with a currency that has no backing in value or substance. No contract in
Common law is valid unless it involves an exchange of “good & valuable
consideration.” Un-payable debt transfers power and control to the sovereign
power structure that has no interest in money, law, equity or justice
because they have so much wealth already.

Their lust is for power and control. Since the inception of central
banking, they have controlled the fates of nations.

The Federal Reserve System is based on the Canon law and the principles of
sovereignty protected in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In fact,
the international bankers used a “Canon Law Trust” as their model, adding
stock and naming it a “Joint Stock Trust.” The U.S. Congress had passed a
law making it illegal for any legal “person” to duplicate a “Joint Stock
Trust” in 1873. The Federal Reserve Act was legislated post-facto (to 1870),
although post-facto laws are strictly forbidden by the Constitution. [1:9:3]
The Federal Reserve System is a sovereign power structure separate and
distinct from the federal United States government. The Federal Reserve is a
maritime lender, and/or maritime insurance underwriter to the federal United
States operating exclusively under Admiralty/Maritime law. The lender or
underwriter bears the risks, and the Maritime law compelling specific
performance in paying the interest, or premiums are the same.

Assets of the debtor can also be hypothecated (to pledge something as a
security without taking possession of it.) as security by the lender or
underwriter. The Federal Reserve Act stipulated that the interest on the
debt was to be paid in gold. There was no stipulation in the Federal Reserve
Act for ever paying the principle.

Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free
and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913)
“Hypothecated” all property within the federal United States to the Board of
Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held
legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a
“beneficiary” of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the
federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties,
assets and labor of their “subjects,” the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to
the Federal Reserve System.

In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United
States corporation all the credit “money substitute” it needed. Like any
other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral
and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the
federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private
property of their “economic slaves”, the U.S. citizens as collateral against
the un-payable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal
territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit
organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been
transferred as payment to the international bankers.

Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal
roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no
rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the
tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the
guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master
for another.

This has been going on for over eighty years without the “informed
knowledge” of the American people, without a voice protesting loud enough.
Now it’s easy to grasp why America is fundamentally bankrupt.

Why don’t more people own their properties outright?

Why are 90% of Americans mortgaged to the hilt and have little or no assets
after all debts and liabilities have been paid? Why does it feel like you
are working harder and harder and getting less and less?

We are reaping what has been sown, and the results of our harvest is a
painful bankruptcy, and a foreclosure on American property, precious
liberties, and a way of life. Few of our elected representatives in
Washington, D.C. have dared to tell the truth. The federal United States is
bankrupt. Our children will inherit this un-payable debt, and the tyranny to
enforce paying it.

America has become completely bankrupt in world leadership, financial
credit and its reputation for courage, vision and human rights. This is an
undeclared economic war, bankruptcy, and economic slavery of the most
corrupt order! Wake up America! Take back your Country.”


And as goes America, so goes the world…

Ponder that…..

It’s important.

May I suggest sharing it from the button below….

89 Comments leave one →
  1. velobabe permalink
    February 16, 2011 12:49 pm

    ORI, i hope i can meet you before i die. i would like to conclude my life in a room with you and others that tell the truth so beautifully. i know everything that you write is true, but i wonder how much it really matters. i just don’t understand why these men want to ruin this beautiful land and sea and animals. why, they must be awful lonely and ugly people to want to ruin this beautiful earth. well i can only embrace what i have within my reach. this is going to take some undoing, that is for sure. i don’t go along with the phrase “what about our children”, “our grand children” inheriting this mess. they don’t care. i care more then they do. my daughter could care less about learning the truth. she thinks it is my conspiracy creation. ok, some day maybe i will meet you.

    • February 17, 2011 5:47 am

      That’s really sweet Kathy and the pleasure would be absolutely mutual. Come to India. 🙂
      Did your daughter make it here?
      And yes, especially from a feminine perspective, which is about creation and not destruction. But this is all cyclical and necessary, probably could have happened with more grace, but that is one thing we seem to be lacking more and more, ne? Grace, gentleness and generosity. The “other” g-spots!

      • velobabe permalink
        February 17, 2011 12:04 pm

        i don’t know how to speak, Indian. full moon tonight plus 24 hours. i like to hear about the other G spots. i knew about them, just didn’t attach a word to it, to explain that sense. nothing from my daughter. she could make a difference if she believed in me, rather then the crooks she associates with. her problem.

        • Dorian Aldridge permalink
          January 18, 2014 4:43 am

          Very eloquently put and on the mark ! My child is very young yet and has formed a basic understanding of the world around her through my teachings and her creativity and curiosity. I pray you daughter will listen and understand what you are telling her.
          May our children’s children have a brighter future, for it will take a lifetime to repair the error of our way’s.
          May we never again be so easily subverted, manipulated and twisted by the evil will of some men. The evil that some men call friend. The evil that will eventually claim and imprison them all in a endless spiral.
          May God have mercy on them. May God have mercy on us. Let us go now forward to rebuild…

          A prayer for after the fall.

    • Neo1 permalink
      April 8, 2012 6:12 pm

      A Banksters worst nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money. The real reason you pay an income tax, is for the privilege of using a private currency. Also known As A: Federal Reserve Note, Demand from your bank or brokerage, lawful money and the tax goes away, with a tax exemption on lawful money, all of your money is yours.
      Tax Exemption:
      Web search these four different phrases: Redeemed in Lawful Money or United States Note or Redeemed in Lawful Money Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411 or deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable federal reserve notes of face value

  2. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 2:36 pm

    It is the truth… we are trapped in a cage. But do we know who the true Masters are? They may not be us. They have their reasons and needs. Is a beneign feudel system so bad? Municipal water, sewer, basic services are a blessing. Of course, the distribution of such systems has been inequal, and humans tend to exceed carrying capacity, thus suffering from overshoot and collapse. Life comes from life…

    Science is having a hard time explaining this one…

    I always enjoy your posts. Thanks ORI.

    • February 16, 2011 2:56 pm

      I always favoured Philosopher Kings myself, truth be told. Lineage, training…these things count.
      Or live the libertarian ideal, but given hum-unkinds proclivities, the ideal may crumble fast. Always has.
      Thanks for the fascinating links. Good to have you here as well.
      The starchild skulls look very very interesting.

  3. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 3:01 pm

    Saw your IMF comment on ZH. At one time I belonged to the John Birch Society… very interesting. Escape Key mentioned Tragedy and Hope. I read the book. Here is a link to the works or Carroll Quigley. Hope you enjoy it.

    • February 16, 2011 3:04 pm

      Thanks enicar, have known about quigley and T&H for some time now. Was published int he year I was born, so a prevalent meme, so I took it seriously.
      All moves are broadcast, no doubt about it.

  4. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 3:26 pm

    Now we pit the Public sector workers against the Private Sector workers. I was in the Private Sector, and got wiped out. I face the future… probably like the majority of humans on the Earth, without a job, benefits or a pension. The Public Sector has forgotten that they exist on the contributions of the Private Sector. Their wages, benefits and pensions are so out of reality, that they are now cooking the goose that laid the golden egg. Governor Scott Walker is trying to tame them, but we are seeing protests and anger here. Local Schools have been closed over bomb threats. I imagine the Public Employee Unions holding a gun to my head, demanding the last of my productivity. The situation in Wisconsin is terrible. Bankrupticies, foreclosures, empty and abandoned houses, bulldozed factories. Greed and selfishness…. the Private Citizens, who foot the bills… merely ask that Public Sector Employees come to their senses… please don’t cook the goose. Instead we get protests, bomb threats and a level of arrogance that transcends any levels of reasonableness.
    Here is an example of an ad Public Unions run. I hope Governor Walker calls out the National Guard, the Private citizen is locked in a struggel for survival.

    LISTEN carefully to Timothy Geithner. He is very…. nervous as he reveals the TRUTH.

    • February 18, 2011 1:37 pm


      You said above “I face the future… probably like the majority of humans on the Earth, without a job, benefits or a pension.”

      Don’t be afraid! You don’t need a job, benefits, or a pension to have a future. We have just been conditioned to think we must have those things to be “secure”. Our futures will be much different than we imagined, but we WILL have a future, and in many ways it might just be a much more worthwhile experience. It’s not going to be easy, no way, but it all had to shift at some point. Deep down, we all knew this time would come.

      • purplefrog permalink
        February 25, 2011 2:30 pm

        Agreed. We all have tried to hide from the truth of the inevitable – the inevitable return to balance/homeostasis. We are in such desperate need of release, redemption. As with Shadrak, Meshak and Abednigo in the fire, the only thing destroyed was the rope that bound them. If you care to, read Isaiah 24-26. I don’t know if this is describes our time, but it certainly describes the needed remedy.

        • February 25, 2011 2:40 pm

          The in-evitable reversion to the mean eh? So mean.
          Haven’t read the verse, but will look it up. Thanks.

      • purplefrog permalink
        February 25, 2011 5:30 pm

        Reversion to the mean? Not at all. Complex systems, including human beings, societies, the planet are essentially organic in that they all marshal their subsystems to bring the total organism back to a balanced state, not some statistical equilibrium. Which brings up an interesting side question, What is the nature of the intelligence that knows what balance is and when it has been achieved?

        • February 25, 2011 5:41 pm

          The nature of the intelligence is of a higher dimension, ne? I/we can do anything in two dimensions.

          And all cycles revert to a mean, same as a null of balance point. Even the top of a pendulum’s swing is a mean. So is species population overshoot in good feeding times. Fractally. Don’t you think?

  5. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 3:59 pm

    Showdown in Wisconsin. The Private Citizen can no longer finance the burden or unrealistsic wages, benefits and pensions of the Public Employee.

    This is a sick manipulation by Teachers… using brainwashed Students to further their demands.

    Who is the Dictator? Have the “servants”… public union employees… forgotten who pays the bills… I would label this as rebellion. FIRE THEM ALL!

    • February 16, 2011 4:09 pm

      Enicar, understand your frustration. But violence breeds violence, physical or otherwise.
      You are divided, they will rule.

      • enicar333 permalink
        February 16, 2011 4:27 pm

        That is true. But this is the problem… how to bring mutual understanding to the table? Can you provide guidance? I have been wiped out… at 48… similiar to most humans…. now dependant on my parents. Side jobs pay incidentals.

        I agree, and always have, cooperation trumps competition. However this is 21st. c America. Americans are ruled by greed and selfishness… we will not accept nothing less…

        Lest you think otherwise…. I use my skills to provide services (construction) at vastly discounted rates, to make it. Oddly enough, my Parents are rather wealthy due to Public Employment/early retirement/full benefits.

        Maybe that is the largest task at hand…. learning to share. Through some of my Journeys…. I lived in a tent on a Farm for 3 months… worked on a Northern Dairy Farm with no pay…. hand split multiple cords of wood.

        Cooperation… I like the Word. But if I impose it on someone, does it not make me a Dictator? What a dichotomy.

        No simple solutions. Perhaps the Universe will impose her justice upon us. Something to think about…. and a boy in Wisconsin USA shares thoughts with someone in India.

        Isn’t she beautiful?

  6. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 4:52 pm

    The Coconut telegraph. I believe. American Sasquatch. I believe. Before you dismiss the idea… please read the posts. Is there an advanced form of life that exists on Earth, and does not require “civilization”. When one meshes perfectly with Nature… what does one need of “civilization”. Perhaps we, humans, as we call ourselves, are aliens, on an alien Planet. We cannot last, because our paradigm does not fit with the Planet. Starseed that landed on the wrong Planet…. allowing us to flourish for a set time… then disappearing forever into the dustbin of History. Indeed, if you were the Master of your environment, why would you want to interact with aliens. WHAT IF THE ALIENS ARE US? Perhaps, “They” can no longer endure us. Maybe they want to deport us to our Planet of Origin. Might that be why we can’t solve our problems… on an alien World???? Sasquatch…. Perfectly adapted for the Environment, sans “civilization”.

    • February 17, 2011 1:49 pm


      There are Sasquatch here in western NC. I sense them every time I drive through a certain wilderness area, and many people are coming forward now claiming to have interacted with them.

      We indeed ARE the aliens. It is made quite obvious by our hostile relationship with our Earthly environment.

  7. enicar333 permalink
    February 16, 2011 5:39 pm

    India may have already been the Subject of a Nuclear War. Historic records seem to verify the claims, and archelogical evidence seems to confirm it.

    • February 17, 2011 5:40 am

      I’ve actually been to a place (Hampi) which looks just like a post-apocalypse landscape. The Ramayana (Epic) was partially played out there. Fascinating.

  8. Usman permalink
    February 17, 2011 3:58 am

    Since we all appear to appreciate the pseudo-scientific synchronicities of the numinous nature.. I thought I might point out that the Egyptian revolution was completed on February the 12th, 2011 (their time):

    • Usman permalink
      February 17, 2011 4:03 am

      Further information here:

      The zoom tool is near the bottom.

    • February 17, 2011 5:44 am

      Very very interesting. Thanks for the link Usman. Feb 11th. Would be cool to see how this lines up with Terrence McKenna’s Timewave zero time-lines. I’d guess fairly well.

    • Usman permalink
      February 17, 2011 4:27 pm

      While we’re on the subject:

      • February 17, 2011 5:25 pm

        yup. Very cool. I think what the bleep had a lot of this stuff in it, yes?

      • enicar333 permalink
        March 1, 2011 2:52 am

        Thank you for the link, Usman. It looks very interesting and I will spend some time on it. About 3 weeks ago I started to “feel” something inside, I had been abusing alcohol heavily, I quit drinking, am exercising , and feel an urgency that “something” is coming and I must be ready. My mental state is certainly much better every day, and any urge to drink has been eliminated. I am awakening.

  9. February 17, 2011 1:54 pm

    Wonderful post, connecting many aspects of our current situation.

    Once one comes to grips with the fact that the United States is a CORPORATION and has been for many years, events that once seemed random and illogical begin to make perfect sense.

    • February 17, 2011 4:34 pm

      They do indeed huh KC? But it is such a stretch for most people. My question is, if Trafficant said all that in the House and it was a lie, he woudl have been committing perjury. But nothing was done. So were so many of McFadden’s speeches. So they must be true, right? Else, how can someone make such bald-faced claims about the state of the nation?
      That is my big question. If he was not arrested for perjury immediately (actually never, the rest of it was trumped up), then it must be true!
      What then? Are people so far gone? The judiciary? So far gone?

      • February 18, 2011 1:30 pm

        I, unfortunately, do think most people are too far gone.

  10. Just Me permalink
    February 17, 2011 9:56 pm

    Solution is simple.

    1. Everyone (at least a huge amount) stop going to work. I have and not due to being canned. Voluntary. Got sick of this game. Period. Not independently wealthy, either. Just saved and didn’t spend like most do.
    2. Stop paying bills (especially the ones from the bank). With regard to the banks, Always remember that they counterfeit (print, keystroke computer entry) what they lend. It’s fake and you pay it back with your labor. Don’t believe it? Then you should take the time to read:
    a). Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins (you can get it free on the internet).
    b). The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin
    c). Study the Credit River Decision here:
    3. Pick a major corporation such as GE, Disney, GM, DuPont, etc. and don’t buy anything associate with them. Sink them.
    4. I know…some will say “how will I eat?” Think folks…just mimic what animal life does. You think you need a supermarket…but you don’t. Buy some survival books…figure it out. You CAN do it! You may not like it, but you can survive. I’m talking about water, too.
    5. If you still don’t believe they are exploiting you, then read this little tidbit about Levy and Distraint and pay close attention to whom it applies to:
    6. These are peaceful means and very effective.

    • February 18, 2011 3:30 am

      Thanks for the comment and the links Just me.
      Indeed the way to go. I did too. And everyone thinks you’ve lost it, while all you’ve done is been found!

      • Mansoor H. Khan permalink
        January 8, 2012 1:18 am

        Here is how the banker’s game works:

        • January 8, 2012 12:17 pm

          Mansoor Bhai, welcome and thank you for the deeply felt and considered comments. It’ll take some time to go through the links et. al.

          Thanks for sharing. I think you’ll find that most here have a spiritual rather than religious POV.

          • Mansoor H. Khan permalink
            January 8, 2012 3:07 pm


            Here is the innovation of islam:

            Spiritual = All that is good for you!

            From the Islamic perspective everything allowed in the sharia law (quran and the example of the prophet) is worship (even making love to your spouse, or having a tasty meal, or going to the restroom, or solving problems associated with the monetary system, or doing physics, or operating a business, or being good employee, or fighting for justice, etc). All allowed acts are automatically holy acts and help one get close to the creator of universe (intention matters).


            shitting = an spiritual act

            doing namaz/praying = an spiritual act

            being dis-satisfied with current practice of capitalism because one sees the real social problems it is causing and complaining about it = an spiritual act

            mansoor h. khan

            • Nadall permalink
              January 8, 2012 10:54 pm

              I left a question at the end.

  11. Jan permalink
    February 18, 2011 10:37 am

    Hi V.
    Reading your posts, the comments from others, and your comments to them, as well as my ‘journeys’ past and present, seem to enable me to fit the pieces of ‘the puzzle’ quicker and quicker. For as long as I can remember, the concept of time (and space) has puzzled me (also).
    I ‘met’ (in ever more rapid succession) Ancient Greeks, Fibonacci, the Golden Mean, Einstein, Planck, ‘What the bleep do we know’, ‘Down the rabbit hole’, Jainism, Buddhism, Clif High, Bruce Lipton, and Daniel Suelo. Then there was you, V. And ‘with’ V. came Velobabe, Usman, V. again, and (for now) Terrence McKenna.
    McKenna… (Events of) Trillions of years compressed into billions, billions into hundred of thousands, hundred of thousands into 4306 years, 4306 years into 67 years, 67 years into 1,05 hrs, 1,05 hrs into… But, does it matter? Does time matter? What IS time?
    ‘In-nately’s’ invented time (and indeed put pricetags on it – even a Patek Philippe is dwarfed by the amounts ETF’s are trading in nanoseconds).
    Time is an ill-usion, like space is. I think McKenna is right: ‘Culture is your operating system’, and ‘you better delete it’. But can we delete it?
    I guess some shaman’s come close. Maybe some budhha’s or daoist’s do too. Quite an achievement indeed, but it still lacks the ultimate. But then,‘ultimate’ is just a word, like infinite and finite are just words, a human invention… vention… intervention…
    Time reminds me of the story of the farmer. ‘Time flies’ said the farmer, and threw his alarmclock out of the window.
    ‘McKenna’s theory (of events contracting into smaller units – forget about time) is more likely an event like sliding down a spiral. Sliding towards its origin, an (unknown) finitude… and without a pause tobe spiralled upward again, on its journey to infinity… un-inventing time.
    Without a pause = without a (noticable) bump? Guess so. Not even the farmer’s alarmclock would hit anybody because he never threw it away. You cannot throw, or handle in any way, an illusion. Enjoy the inverted ride on the Spiral.
    Imagine picking up the smell of your grandma’s cookies again… And it reminds me of *the inversion* of ‘going from uncivilised, to civilised’, in a comment on your post ‘Roots…and who is Watching Al’ Giza?’. Backwards becomes forwards. Forward to wanting to reap the good, by sowing the (b)right…

    • February 18, 2011 4:26 pm

      🙂 Thanks for the cogent and interesting post Jan.
      I think the bump, unfortunately, is already noticeable, eh? Like something in the night.

      • Jan permalink
        February 19, 2011 3:52 pm

        Hi there V.
        Cogent, and yet… un-fortunately? When the spriral-ride inverses, all inverses. Un-fortunately becomes fortunately… it takes out the UN. And, the U.N. as well.
        That in turn reminds me of the NWO. Ride the spiral, turn your head and look back, and see where it stood for, what its intentions were: OWN.
        Inverses, fortunately.
        Thanks V.

    • Mansoor H. Khan permalink
      January 8, 2012 1:23 am

      A comment I have made on another blogsite applies here:

      Scepticus said:

      “I do think that what’s needed to move onwards from our current dying culture is more magic and less science.”

      Actually you put it better earlier long time ago in a u k housing crash comment for me. You said something like:

      We should focus on happiness rather than money so much.

      This line of thinking I think will unify the “scientific method” and the “magic method” in a useful way.

      In other words the appropriate magic (faith) + science will lead to more happiness overall for humanity. But of course the question is which magic (which faith based mental model / beliefs will work the best).

      Because the correct combo will result in the most happiness overall (individually and collectively) I believe.

      I know you don’t believe in god but I always try to relate back to one god because this is my way.

      On one of naked capitalism’s posts the discussion delved into the discussion of binariness of our thinking (

      So ….. I started thinking why binary? why not unitary since the creator is unitary.

      But then of course I realized Reality is binary:

      Reality = Creator (the magic part) + Creation (the science part).

      Also, Islam’s teachings imply that all dichotomies (binaries) will be resolved (removed!) in heaven except for one. We get all of our wishes fulfilled except for one. We can never be him (i.e., we can never be Allah). But in a sense that is the incentive to live forever (the magic is never “fully” understood). And passage of time is the amount of magic that is understood (knowledge gained by meeting Allah and talking to him).

      anyway. please keep up the good work.

      mansoor h. khan

  12. zaknick permalink
    February 18, 2011 6:41 pm

    Hey there,

    I see you had other pieces to the puzzle. As much as I thought I knew about what these scum have done, I’ve seen a different aspect to their evil by reading your blog today.

    War is coming isn’t it? In the ME and maybe South America too no? I have read some headlines today which have made my hair stand on end. End of the world, fighting words for headlines. Sarkozy, ECB, Noda, Barclays, China’s gold buying and raging inflation…..

    this is madness…..

    They have no choice but to launch a war to keep the rabble in line.

    End of March (contemporaneous to Comex deliveries deadline) seems to be the deadline set by the rest of the world on the FRN.

    Care to speculate?

    • February 18, 2011 8:23 pm

      Looks more and more likely eh zak? But timelines are something I’ve learned to keep long and flexible. The universe has it’s own timing. But it’s all sped up now, so unless we can observe from a slow spinning center, everything will be looking like it’s spinning out of control.
      This year is definitely full of tipping points, for sure.

  13. walt235 permalink
    February 18, 2011 7:59 pm

    It’s the JOOZ, stupid! The USA needs to get the parasitic bastards out of government, finance and the media!

    • WhiteRose permalink
      February 20, 2011 4:41 pm

      This is about all of us & having statesmen rather than politicians in government. Remember, “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from it’s government”. Thomas Paine

      I recommend everyone just read a new book about Americans taking a stand against bad govt. & politicians that hide (Wisconsin). We may differ, but we are all Americans & need to treat each other with respect. It’s the govt. that divides us.

      It’s a great book where all Americans come together & take a stand. It’s a thriller

    • February 20, 2011 11:50 am

      Great link and the method that we have seen used ad nauseum is in the play book. India and China were fully conquered long long ago. To think otherwise amidst the sloganeering of India Shining is delusional.

      • Jan permalink
        February 20, 2011 6:03 pm

        @ Srini, V. and other visitors ofcourse: Indeed a great link! At Asian Times Online, I read a article – ‘Silver and Opium’ – 3 days ago that has many, many similarities. Here’s the link:

        BTW, the author did not mention the Dutch (I happen to be one) being involved, but trust me, they were experts at it as well.
        Bubbles are bursting everywhere, even history-bubbles… like bubbles always do.

        • February 21, 2011 5:09 am

          ahhh yes, the Dutch! Double Dutch. A clutch of trouble you all are!!!

          The dutch actually taught the brits (or was it a pact) how to ‘do” asia and spices. opium/narcotics was the logical extension all around.
          What a fascinating history we have, far removed from “public” consumption. 🙂

  14. enicar333 permalink
    February 21, 2011 1:02 am

    About 15 years ago I actually had some of the documents listed. I requested them from my Senator, Herb Kohl. I engaged in trying to become a sovereign citizen, revoke my SS#, remove my property from the tax rolls, travel by right, rid the IRS from my life.

    Learned a lot of hard lessons there. It doesn’t matter what the law is, or the facts. When you find yourself up against Government in any of these situations, you will lose. Fellow Citizens who benefit from the System don’t want to rock it, so you can’t win. Others who would like to support you become fearful for their lives/families/possessions. This game has to be played out to Default.

    • February 21, 2011 3:49 am

      So interesting to hear Enicar. From your comments and links, you’ve obviously been diving deep for a long time now.
      I tried really hard while in the US to find out about UCC etc. but I had let my visa expire (just pure disgust with the system) and as an illegal, it was a little, shall we say, challenging, going about doing such things.
      It’s only now that people are actually starting to win cases against the IRS etc (a famous agent turned crusader just famously won one).

      But I can imagine trying to explain to a cop-thug that the reason you do not even have a license is that you are a sovereign man would not go down well.
      Good to have met someone bold and awake enough to have tried. There is probably a book in your experiences that would resonate with today’s mood.

  15. hybridrogue1 permalink
    February 21, 2011 7:17 pm

    I would like to advise the author check out, Illuminati Cnspiracy Archives to find an article there on the Pike letter. There is a long and complex story here that needs to be understood.

    Maybe, maybe not…but certainly maybe.

    I’m a friend of Rady and a COTO.
    I like your blog, but as an oldtimer at this I like to help those who might not be aware that there are some hoaxes that lead nowhere…even if they lead somewhere, one must wonder the why of the lead? Grok?

    • February 22, 2011 7:25 am

      Hybrid, already have. I understand caveat emptor and Cui bono. Hope everyone coming here does too.
      Still does beg the question of their having been a part of the global dialouge (Pike letter, trafficant speech, Protocols) for close to or over a century now.

      Care to give some detail on your findings? Thanks in advance.

      PS: Who are Rady and COTO?

  16. KansasScout permalink
    February 21, 2011 10:44 pm

    The Albert Pike quote was completely bogus.

    • February 22, 2011 7:22 am

      Kansas, but it has been a part of the discussions for almost a century now. Time enough for some obfuscation, but it still accurately predicted the unfolding game, did it not? So whoever wrote it, falsified it, spread it, knew something. Even the much maligned protocols have been coming uncomfortably true.

      How does that comport with their outright rejection as forgeries or whatever label you choose to give them?

      • Joshua permalink
        December 8, 2011 4:49 pm

        The bulk of it is a quote from a book (Pawns in the Game) written by William Guy Carr in 1958. Carr wrote it and claimed it was paraphrased from the Pike to Mazzini letter. The part that did get quoted did not include anything about World Wars, or Illuminati, and was fabricated by a French fiction writer in 1896. His 1906 confession is quite amusing:

        “The public made me what I am; the arch-liar of the period,” confessed Taxil, “for when I first commenced to write against the Masons my object was amusement pure and simple. The crimes I laid at their door were so grotesque, so impossible, so widely exaggerated, I thought everybody would see the joke and give me credit for originating a new line of humor. But my readers wouldn’t have it so; they accepted my fables as gospel truth, and the more I lied for the purpose of showing that I lied, the more convinced became they that I was a paragon of veracity.

        “Then it dawned upon me that there was lots of money in being a Munchausen of the right kind, and for twelve years I gave it to them hot and strong, but never too hot. When inditing such slush as the story of the devil snake who wrote prophecies on Diana’s back with the end of his tail, I sometimes said to myself: ‘Hold on, you are going too far,’ but I didn’t. My readers even took kindly to the yarn of the devil who, in order to marry a Mason, transformed himself into a crocodile, and, despite the masquerade, played the piano wonderfully well.

        “One day when lecturing at Lille, I told my audience that I had just had an apparition of Nautilus, the most daring affront on human credulity I had so far risked. But my hearers never turned a hair. ‘Hear ye, the doctor has seen Nautulius,’ they said with admiring glances. Of course no one had a clear idea of who Nautilus was I didn’t myself but they assumed that he was a devil. Ah, the jolly evenings I spent with my fellow authors hatching out new plots, new, unheard of perversions of truth and logic, each trying to outdo the other in organized mystification. I thought I would kill myself laughing at some of the things proposed, but everything went; there is no limit to human stupidity.”

        Are you sure you are not so gullible?

  17. enicar333 permalink
    February 25, 2011 2:32 pm

    Complex systems become too intricate to survive, long term. Small tribes banding together to provide safe and clean water; safe disposal of sewage; mutual safety;shared responsibilities and a barter system is a blessing. Fossil fuels changed the picture and allowed growth out of proportion to what the natural environment allowed. Our growth has exploded, and today we must face the consequences.

    As I sought to free myself from the sytem, as alluded to down below, I came to realize I could not extract myself, because no matter what, I was still dependent and linked to the system. A large complex system takes on a life of its’ own and eventually consumes everything until collapse is inevitable. Then, the cycle may begin again. Those of us yearning to be free from the system are experiencing an unspoken intuition that something is wrong. We wish to take action, but find ourselves powerless. However, there will be no release until collapse. Then it will be up to Survivors, if any, to begin again.

    I read ZH, and lots of other sites. (lots of time when you are unemployed) All over the Internet (and the World) postings are becoming more desperate, angry, irritated. Blame is spewed on everyone else. The Nature of our trouble is from within, and especially our inability to control our breeding. Ah yes, but who shall control, which leads to endless arguments and taunts of NAZI. So therefore,let’s all breed to our hearts content. First to overbreed wins, by destroying all the Natural resources so you die off too. What a dilemma of the human mind. By saving a life, we may destroy an eco-system by placing it out of balance. Harsh facts. But this strikes at the heart of Western Culture, the denial of the Circle of Life and misallocation of resources to prolong life/prevent death.

    A study of Reindeer that applies to our current condition and what the future bears:

    • February 25, 2011 2:38 pm

      Thanks enicar for your thoughts.
      Have you read the Story of B and/or Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
      Highly recommended.

    • enicar333 permalink
      February 25, 2011 3:44 pm

      Technology and fossil fuels have allowed Humans to grossly exceed carrying capacity. Bangladesh is one example; a large growing population; drill a well which provides more carrying capacity; people breed leading to water depletion; drill a deeper well, etc. etc. You can find examples everywhere.

      The larger point is that technology and innovation allows us some breathing time and room to evade the consequencesof exceeding carrying capacity, but inevitably exacerbates the situation and will demand new technology and innovation which only buys a shorter period of time before the cycle of depletion begins again. Eventually technology and innovation cannot prevent the tragedy and collapse occurs.

      An excerpt from Collapse and Overshoot, a very worthwhile read.

      In Western culture, death is considered “bad”, and thus to be prevented at all cost; the dichotomy is that we have assembled and used some of the most efficient killing machines ever produced (and used) and that many in the society, lower classes, have no access to advanced medical treatments. The “Circle of Life” is rejected and linear thinking employed. Ahhh,the quest for the fountain of youth and immortality. This attitude skews demographics and misallocates resources. There is nothing noble about spending millions on artificial life support. The horrible truth is that, especially amongst the lower classes, life is cheap and expendable. Here in America, the Land of Plenty and Christianity, there is an unspoken ugly truth. The website below points out some of that truth and indicates that something is seriously wrong in America, and that life is indeed cheap.

      While admittedly a Prepper to a point, with limited resources, I find it incredible (especially on ZH) that there are endless arguments on how to somehow tweak or modify the Banking system to continue the system. And with my pile of silver/gold… post collapse…I shall purchase all around me and be King. I disagree. It will usher in an era where cooperation will be demanded for survival and death accepted as a natural part of life. Nature is a harsh taskmaster, and resources misallocated to prolong life may endanger the life of the entire tribe. That does not imply that pity, empathy and mourning will not occur, for they shall, only that the resources and time allocated to those who cannot contribute to the continued survival of the tribe must, by necessity, be limited. We fail to recognize that by misallocating resources to save one life, we may inadvertently put others at risk. The dilemma of the Human lifeboat.

      Our own greed and selfishness coupled will the inability to control our impulses along with our belief in the Corporate lie of Consumerism will cause our collapse. It will be marked by violence and chaos. Natural disasters will speed the process. The reconstruction and insurance costs will bring down the financial system and many will simply be unable to cope. Solar Storms may become a decesive factor in returning Mankind to a proper balance with Nature. In death there is hope, for the Circle of Life will continue.
      Solar storm of 1859 :

      Olduvai Theory:

      The Universe will not mourn the passing of Man.


      • February 25, 2011 5:38 pm

        Whoa Enicar. I thought I was doomy. I’ll pass my self-conferred crown to you.
        Now tell us what you do to keep centered and balanced?

  18. dublinmick permalink
    February 26, 2011 4:06 pm

    Once again I have stumbled upon intelligent life in the universe, greetings. The Hau de no sau nee (Six Nations) would certainly agree with you.

  19. Jetgraphics permalink
    March 1, 2011 12:59 am

    The speech attributed to Traficant is bogus.

    Actual text here:

    Please do not promulgate disinformation.
    Even when facts are presented, wrapping them in a hoax allows their dismissal by others.

    • March 1, 2011 4:25 am

      Jet, this is one of the most hotly debated speeches around. If you keep digging, there are claims and counter claims as to CSPAN’s aborted coverage of it, altered congressional records and on and on.
      Plus, it only builds on a whole lot of things that have been said publicly (McFadden, Lindbergh etc.). So what you have linked is just another piece.
      I say caveat emptor, the lie that has been foisted on us, globally is huge and we need to get to the root of the matter.

      • Jetgraphics permalink
        March 5, 2011 2:32 am

        Instead of reading hoaxes, go read the law yourself.
        Furthermore, the restriction to gold and silver coin was NOT a wise move. In fact, it was beneficial to the usurers. Remember, in 1780’s, there were no domestic sources of gold and silver bullion. So the nation’s coinage had to be acquired from “our friends” – the European Banks.
        And once there was a substantial source of silver, “our friends” had “their” Congress DEMONETIZE silver. (See: Coinage Act of 1873 aka “Crime of ’73”)
        (Also read: “Cross of Gold” speech)
        FWIW : Usury is mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system, has been denounced for over 3500 years, and is a capital offense, saith Ezekiel 18:13 (KJV)
        Franklin’s advocacy of paper currency:

        • March 5, 2011 5:27 am

          Well Jetgraphics, I suppose we have different standards for what passes our smell test. I smell something bad, you don’t. We can choose to leave it at that.

          As for sound money, we are in complete accord.

        • March 8, 2011 3:29 am

          Hmmm…. now sure about your position. on Ppjg, you said this:

          Do not forget the power and jurisdiction granted to the Federal government by :
          (a) 304 million “contributors” via FICA,
          (b) bankruptcy (1933), and
          (c) State of Emergency (1933)

          Senate Report 93-549
          War and Emergency Powers Acts
          “A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency.”

          So which is it JetG?
          Next time you wish to engage in a dialouge, I suggest you be helpful with a link or three (like the mises one) instead of being derogatory.

  20. enicar333 permalink
    March 1, 2011 2:12 am

    Public Employees behaving badly. How can you reasonably deal with people like this?

    These people want to argue they are fighting for some “noble cause”. These people want to argue they don’t have enough, and need more. These people have no problem with watching their neighbor lose his house, for their benefit. These people have steady jobs, good pay, medical and dental insurance, pensions, food in abundance, advanced infrastructure for automobiles, sewer, electricity and roads, automobiles, electronics, houses and some of the best working conditions in the World. Yet they are unhappy and angry when asked to live a little simpler, so that others may simply live. What a miserable existence they must have. The problem is internal and is not repairable.

    There is a story of 2 women fighting over a Child. Taken before a Judge, the Judge decrees that the Child is to be torn in two, so each mother can have half. One agrees to this condition, the other pleads with the Judge to have the Child given to the other woman. Who do you think the real Mother is? Whose behaviour does Public Employees mirror? Where is your heart?

  21. Sum Dum Goy permalink
    March 1, 2011 7:45 pm

    I say we just destroy the whole planet.Its not ours anyway according to some.Its useless to us.Its only a source of pain and conflict now.Screw that FTW,lets burn it.
    Lets be free and lets free the slaves by ending the BS and going home back into the universe we came from.If god gave you life then it does not belong in the hands of the worms who did this to everybody.All of history is meaningless and all your ancestors efforts in vain.Kill this stupid hell or wind up praying to death for release.

    • March 1, 2011 7:58 pm

      I hear you Sum Dum, but why burn the house down?

    • Nadall permalink
      January 8, 2012 11:13 pm

      Some dum goy? Now that’s just funny right there.
      Mercy killing? In certain instances. Yup. I was kinda thinking about this again today…(I keep coming back to the same old thing..the ‘problem’ of evil oft expressed in contemptuous anger and/or tears “If God’s so loving, so good, how can he/she/it let this happen?!)
      That supposes that ‘god’ is (just) an artist and can pick and choose what is created. What if that’s not the case? What if creation, once created, took on a life of it’s own and diverged from the Way of Love?
      I think that is self-evident. I can’t WAIT to see what I.T. does (A.I., that is.) Oh, joy-joy. I’m gonna try a 180 degree on my locus of focus.

  22. March 12, 2011 10:17 am

    Why burn the house down?

    I recall seeing a movie of the bombing of Hiroshima. On duty at the hospital that day was a single doctor and a single nurse.
    They had absolutely no idea of what had happened.
    The injuries they saw were out of their field.
    After many hours the brave americans who did this actually called through to the hospital to see how they were managing (un-believable) and the doctor answered with this line :
    ‘now that my house has burnt down – i can see the moon more clearly”.
    no line has ever struck me as deeply as that one, and when a year later my own home and business (uninsured) burnt down that line returned to me and i looked up and you know one does see the moon more clearly.

  23. Stephen Baze permalink
    June 6, 2011 5:17 am

    Enicar – King Solomon

    Sum – I have been where you are and it is born out of pain and seeing too much misery, injustice. All I can say is be strong and fight the urge to seek vengence. I have had the same battles and still do to some degree. Unfortunately more is coming our way. I pray and meditate alot and it gives me strength. Jesus is actually very powerful if you let him in. Just my experience. The opposite of darkness. I wish you well and if I can help you I will. Just ask !

    • Nadall permalink
      January 8, 2012 11:19 pm

      Hey Stephen…the darkness is AWESOME! (T)here’s love!

      • Nadall permalink
        January 8, 2012 11:26 pm

        Oh…and Jesus said the Kingdom is within, right? 🙂

  24. loveinyou permalink
    June 19, 2011 8:51 pm

    For a fresh perspective on Hu-Man, and our place and responsibility on this beloved planet, read the Anastasia series by Vladimir Megre. Yes there are challenges, but we have inside of us all of the powers of co-creation from the source. We may be tested on our resolve though…….freedom and liberty are seeds buried deeply now, with conscious awareness and the courage to face and live the truth, those seeds will once again sprout.

    I highly recommend the Anastasia series.

  25. Mansoor H. Khan permalink
    January 8, 2012 1:41 am

    The U.S. Gov or U.S. is NOT bankrupt:

    Real capital is not dollars in the bank but just accounting.

    Real Capital is:

    1) peace

    2) security

    3) rule of law

    4) access to raw materials

    5) clean air

    6) clean fresh water

    7) management knowledge (dispensing of justice)

    8) engineering knowledge (thirst to learn how the universe works)

    9) a culture that values justice/fairness

    10) wisdom to balance (justice vs. mercy/forgiveness) – a
    culture that is not too mean to its people and other people

    11) a culture possessing a worldview which will keep it people from committing suicide when things go REALLY wrong (natural disasters or man-made screw-ups)

    12) Sufficient right brain orientation (philosophical / artistic to allow for creativity to come forth)

    Here is how to keep the economy from going into a depression:

    We need:

    “Hope and a prayer.”

    and an orderly bankruptcy of the financial system:

    and a universal bailout of the population:

    mansoor h. khan

  26. Nadall permalink
    January 8, 2012 2:46 am

    Relevant and painfully interesting article in the Daily Bell today (January 7th, 2012) about the insanity of India’s gigantic Gujarat Special Investment Region. Do you know about this Vivek?

  27. Nadall permalink
    January 8, 2012 11:00 pm

    Mister Khan. I am wondering if what I keep hearing is true. It is said that Islam’s aim is to conquer (convert) the entire world for Allah, forcefully if necessary. Is this true?
    Thank you. Please understand that I mean no disrespect what-so-ever. I seek only understanding.

    • January 8, 2012 11:44 pm


      Please understand that Islam has no official institution (church or state) or official/ordained clergy of any kind. Keepers of the islamic truth are muslims people themselves. There are no official truth keepers.

      Also, I am not an islamic scholar and even islamic scholars only yield any influence arising out of respect (and hopefully they receive the respect because they have shown sound judgement over the years).

      But I will give you my best intrepretation.

      In the Quran and via the traditions of the prophet Allah commands the muslim to speak the truth and practice truth in their lives.

      Islam’s goal is to conquer the world by conquering the heart by delivering the message via the word and via actions (Yes, I know muslims have not been doing a good job at this lately, with terrorism by muslims and everything). Conquering is to be done heart by heart.

      But I don’t want to be dishonest. It is Quran’s vision to have muslims implement the sharia law worldwide in some shape or form as the people of each and specific country intrepret it and want it via a democtratic means (concensus is how the first leader of the muslims was selected after the death of Prophet Mohammad).

      This means that when a country becomes majority muslim then those muslims do have the right (and even a responsibility in a sense) to implement the divine law (they will have to intrepret it of course since there is NO official intrepretion). And some of the law will impact non-muslims in that country (like prohibition against abortion, possibly harsh punishment for certain crimes, etc.).

      There are things in the sharia which I do NOT believe should be implemented (like punishements for practicing homosexuality). If a democratic process is followed then I (and people like me muslims and non-muslims) will be able to influence what gets implemented and what does not get implemented.

      The guidance is: Every human being muslim or non-muslim will be judged fairly by Allah on the day of judgement. We all must use our hearts and our concience when we intrepret or even when we apply a particular rule in the sharia. Allah promises to provide guidance in the heart and mind of those who seek it and want it whether they are muslim or non-muslim.


      mansoor h. khan

  28. Nadall permalink
    January 8, 2012 11:59 pm

    Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. I truly appreciate it. I will study on this for a while. The only problem I see so far though, is that (fallen) humans will be doing the implementing. We seem to have made quite a mess of it so far. Jesus was/is wonderful, but look at Christianity. I’m pretty sure that I just plain don’t trust religions in general, no matter what variety. But again, I thank you for taking the time to answer. Blessings and peace to you, to us all.

    • January 9, 2012 12:26 am

      Nadall said,

      “The only problem I see so far though, is that (fallen) humans will be doing the implementing.”

      Any system can be abused and people have to suffer and figure out a way to fight it and change it.

      Your real question should be why is god making us go through gyrations to get to heaven (at least islam teaches that allah is capable of anything and does not need anything or anyone).

      The short answer (according to islam) is that he knows better and he gives us tests which good for us. Beyond that I don’t know why we must go through these gyrations.

      • January 9, 2012 4:23 am

        “Beyond that I don’t know why we must go through these gyrations.”

        He/she is with-in us all. The gyrations are our own. In fact, gyration is a great word-dive. It has the same root as gyroscope, which, when spinning fast, THE most stable thing in 4-dimensions that is known to us. Only angular momentum is self-stable in 4 dimensions. Out of control, it is the wildest gyrating, destructive force we know. Thus, to become an engine of our own cause instead of an instrument at anyone else’s effect, it is the inner he/she we need to know.
        The locus of our own gyrating center and it’s in-timate knowledge is the quest. Religion (All of them, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam) , in my experience, is backward looking. In fact, KNOW exactly why they are backward looking. But that understanding needs to be gleaned.

        Thanks for sharing, deeply.

    • Mansoor H. Khan permalink
      January 19, 2014 11:58 pm


      I wrote a blog to answer your question!

      Here is a link:

      mansoor h. khan

  29. June 14, 2013 11:15 am

    Reblogged this on SyesWorldView and commented:
    A prisoner does not complain when he cannot see the bars…A great article on the US


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