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March 28, 2011

Greetings,

For the longest time (coming on to 9 years now), once I got to know about the “real” workings of the world (I’d seen snatches of it in my professional life, but was too high on the hog to pay real attention), I’ve had the “eye-roll” thrown at me as I’ve tried to explain to various people that the entire 20 century was the century of MAYA (Grand Illusion) and that everything we’ve been told as fact is actually carefully crafted fiction.

The truths are illusion shattering and mind-bending. And of course, real facts are hard to come by precisely because they’ve been papered over with cognitive dissonance inducing lies blaring from every government owned or controlled mouthpiece, going by the name of the Main Stream Media. And the education system of course, which is a cruel system designed to bend or break young innocent minds into a narrow rail, allowing one to function (or dys-function), within the narrow confines of business/education/politics.

The truth is buried so deep and people who bring it up so dis-credited (or dead0 that most people live their lives in a haze of lies believed as truth. It really is that sad and bad.

incidentally, the distortion of reality has been going on, by some accounts, for thousands of years.

And in the buttressing of this false version of history, Icons have been created and lionized or demonized (as needed or in context), so that successive generations were made to believe that these human demi-gods walked on water and were NEVER TO BE QUESTIONED.

Their concoted histories and bio-graphies were often buried under a load of sweet falsehoods of bucolic/harsh/brilliant childhoods, brilliant young days etc. etc.

We’ll not go too far back this time, but some of the biggest patsies of the last century, who played their roles to a hilt, were deified by millions (billions even) and in reality were Icons with feet of clay.

To name but a few: Mohandas Gandhi (the father of India… and what a father eh, left a factious country, deeply divided and beholden to the british, he was a patsy and an icon with clay feet) and then two heroes who both claimed him to be their role models (Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela). look at their legacies to understand that they just played a role and were sidelined.

So, today, I’d like to excerpt two very interesting articles. I strongly suggest following the links and getting a peek behind the curtain. And if you want to roll your eyes, do so at your own loss. To be un-able to acknowledge the truth of your reality is a fractal reflection of who you are.

To live blind when both your eyes function, to live deaf when you can hear perfectly is a rather shoddy way to live, eh?

The first is about this war in Libya, written by a deep insider and touches on topics I can fill a volume about. If you feel a pulse, do your own research:

Libya’s Blood For Oil – The Vampire War
By Susan Lindauer

Former US Intel Asset Who Covered Libya At The UN 1995-2003
3-28-11

 

Who are we kidding? The United States, Britain and NATO don’t care about bombing civilians to contain rebellion. Their militaries bomb civilians every day without mercy. They have destroyed most of the community infrastructure of Iraq and Afghanistan before turning their sights on Libya. So what’s really going on here?

According to the CIA, the following never happened

Last October, US oil giants- Chevron and Occidental Petroleum- made a surprising decision to pull out of Libya, while China, Germany and Italy stayed on, signing major contracts with Gadhaffi’s government.  As the U.S. Asset who started negotiations for the Lockerbie Trial with Libyan diplomats, I had close ties to Libya’s U.N. Mission from 1995 to 2003. Given my long involvement in the Lockerbie saga, I have continued to enjoy special access to high level intelligence gossip on Libya.

Last summer that gossip got juicy!

About July, I started hearing that Gadhaffi was exerting heavy pressure on U.S. and British oil companies to cough up special fees and kick backs to cover the costs of Libya’s reimbursement to the families of Pan Am 103. Payment of damages for the Lockerbie bombing had been one of the chief conditions for ending U.N. sanctions on Libya that ran from 1992 until 2003. And of course the United Nations forced Gadhaffi to hand over two Libyan men for a special trial at The Hague, though everybody credible was fully conscious of Libya’s innocence in the Lockerbie affair. (Only ignorant politicians trying to score publicity points say otherwise.)

Knowing Gadhaffi as well as I do, I was convinced that he’d done it. He’d bided his time until he could extort compensation from U.S. oil companies. He’s a crafty bastard, extremely intelligent and canny. That’s exactly how he operates. And now he was taking his revenge. As expected, the U.S. was hopping mad about it. Gadhaffi wasn’t playing the game the way the Oil Bloodsuckers wanted. The Vampire of our age-the Oil Industry-roams the earth, sucking the life out of every nation to feed its thirst for profits. Only when they got to Libya, Gadhaffi took on the role of a modern-day Robin Hood, who insisted on replenishing his people for the costs they’d suffered under U.N. sanctions.

Backing up a year earlier, in August 2009 the lone Libyan convicted of the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people, Abdelbasset Megrahi, won a compassionate release from Scottish prison. Ostensibly, the British government and Scottish Courts granted Megrahi’s request to die at home with dignity from advance stage cancer-in exchange for dropping a legal appeal packed with embarrassments for the European Courts. The decision to free Megrahi followed shocking revelations of corruption at the special Court of The Hague that handled the Lockerbie Trial. Prosecution witnesses confessed to receiving payments of $4 million each from the United States, in exchange for testimony against Megrahi, a mind-blowing allegation of judicial corruption.

The Lockerbie conviction was full of holes to begin with. Anybody who knows anything about terrorism in the 1980s knows the CIA got mixed up in heroin trafficking out of the Bekaa Valley during the hostage crisis in Lebanon. The Lockerbie conspiracy had been a false flag operation to kill off a joint CIA and Defense Intelligence investigation into kick backs from Islamic Jihad, in exchange for protecting the heroin transit network.

According to my own CIA handler, Dr. Richard Fuisz, who’d been stationed in Lebanon and Syria at the time, the CIA had established a protected drug route from Lebanon to Europe and on to the United States. His statements support other sources that “Operation Corea” allowed Syrian drug dealers led by Monzer al-Kassar (also linked to Oliver North in the Iran-Contra scandal) to ship heroin to the U.S. ON Pan Am flights, in exchange for intelligence on the hostages’ whereabouts in Lebanon. The CIA allegedly made sure that suitcases carrying heroin were not searched at customs. Nicknamed the “Godfather of Terror,” Al Kassar is now serving a prison sentence for conspiring with Colombian drug cartels to assassinate U.S. nationals.

Building up to Lockerbie, the Defense Intelligence team in Beirut, led by Maj. Charles Dennis McKee and Matthew Gannon, suspected that CIA infiltration of the heroin network might be prolonging the hostage crisis. If so, the consequence was severe. AP Reporter Terry Anderson got chained in a basement for 7 years, while 96 other high profile western hostages suffered beatings, mock executions and overall trauma. McKee’s team raised the alarms in Washington that a CIA double agent profiting from the narco-dollars might be warning the hostage takers whenever their dragnet closed in. Washington sent a fact-finding team to Lebanon to gather evidence.

On the day it was blown out of the sky, Pan Am 103 was carrying that team of CIA and FBI investigators, the CIA’s Deputy Chief assigned to Beirut, and three Defense Intelligence officers, including McKee and Gannon, on their way to Washington to deliver a report on the CIA’s role in heroin trafficking, and the impact on terrorist financing and the hostage crisis. In short, everyone with direct knowledge of CIA kickbacks from heroin trafficking died on Pan Am 103. A suitcase packed with $500,000 worth of heroin was found in the wreckage. It belonged to investigators, as proof of the corruption.

The punch line was that the U.S. State Department issued an internal travel advisory, warning that government officials should get off that specific flight on that specific day, because Pan Am 103 was expected to get bombed. That’s right, folks! The U.S. had prior knowledge of the attack.

Unforgivably, nobody told Charles McKee or Matthew Gannon. But other military officials and diplomats got pulled off the flight-making room for a group of students from Syracuse University traveling stand by for the Christmas holidays.

It was a monstrous act!  But condemning Megrahi to cover up the CIA’s role in heroin trafficking has struck many Lockerbie afficiandos as grossly unjust. Add the corruption of purchased testimony– $4 million a pop- and Megrahi’s life sentence struck a nerve of obscenity.

It struck Gadhaffi as grievously offensive, as well-The United Nations had forced Libya to fork over $2.7 billion in damages to the Lockerbie families, a rate of $10 million for every death. Once it became clear the U.S. paid two key witnesses $4 million each to commit perjury, spook gossip throughout the summer was rife that Gadhaffi had taken bold action to demand compensation from U.S. (and probably British) oil corporations operating in Libya. More than likely, Libya’s demands for kick backs and compensation extended to other European oil conglomerates as well-particularly France and Italy-who are now spearheading attacks on Libya.

For the rest of this story: http://rense.com/general93/libc.htm


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And Now a little bit about Mr. MK Gandhi: This one lays his holy image to waste. Please use your discretion and imagine that the author of the book quoted here must have some real research to back up his claims, because you can bet the rage/backlash in Gandhi-worshipping India will be tremendous, the book will get banned etc.

And as you read this, let your worship for any hero wash away just like their feet of clay. You are your own hero, teacher, arbiter of truth….. work on your “self”. Leave the grandstanding, politicking stars of this ugly but pretty man-made firmament to bite the dust as they should. They were not just mere mortals, they were deeply flawed and compromised mere mortals. If you knew the truth about MLK, you would positively gag. Mandela is still alive, so his feet are yet to be exposed.

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Mahatma Gandhi was bisexual and left his wife to live with a German-Jewish bodybuilder, a controversial biography has claimed.

The leader of the Indian independence movement is said to have been deeply in love with Hermann Kallenbach.

He allegedly told him: ‘How completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance.’

Kallenbach was born in Germany but emigrated to South Africa where he became a wealthy architect.

Gandhi was working there and Kallenbach became one of his closest disciples. .

The pair lived together for two years in a house Kallenbach built in South Africa and pledged to give one another ‘more love, and yet more love . . . such love as they hope the world has not yet seen.’

Controversial: The new book outlines many details of Gandhi's sexual behaviour, including allegations he slept with his great nieceControversial: The new book outlines many details of Gandhi’s sexual behaviour, including allegations he slept with his great niece

The extraordinary claims were made in a new biography by author Joseph Lelyveld called ‘Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi And His Struggle With India’ which details the extent of his relationship with Kallenbach like never before.

At the age of 13 Gandhi had been married to 14-year-old Kasturbai Makhanji, but after four children together they split in 1908 so he could be with Kallenbach, the book says.

At one point he wrote to the German: ‘Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in my bedroom. The mantelpiece is opposite to the bed.’

Although it is not clear why, Gandhi wrote that vaseline and cotton wool were a ‘constant reminder’ of Kallenbach.

He nicknamed himself ‘Upper House’ and his lover ‘Lower House’ and he vowed to make Kallenbach promise not to ‘look lustfully upon any woman’.

‘I cannot imagine a thing as ugly as the intercourse of men and women,’ he later told him.

They were separated in 1914 when Gandhi went back to India – Kallenbach was not allowed into India because of the First World War, after which they stayed in touch by letter.

As late as 1933 he wrote a letter telling of his unending desire and branding his ex-wife ‘the most venomous woman I have met’.

Lelyveld’s book goes beyond the myth to paint a very different picture of Gandhi’s private life and makes astonishing claims about his sexuality.

Revolutionary: The claims made in the book are likely to be disputed by millions of Gandhi's followers across the globeRevolutionary: The claims made in the book are likely to be disputed by millions of Gandhi’s followers across the globe

It details how even in his 70s he regularly slept with his 17-year-old great niece Manu and and other women but tried to not to become sexually excited.

He once told a woman: ‘Despite my best efforts, the organ remained aroused. It was an altogether strange and shameful experience.’

The biography also details one instance in which he forced Manu to walk through a part of the jungle where sexual assaults had in the past taken place just to fetch a pumice stone for him he liked to use to clean his feet.

She returned with tears in her eyes but Gandhi just ‘cackled’ and said: ‘If some ruffian had carried you off and you had met your death courageously, my heart would have danced with joy.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370554/Gandhi-left-wife-live-male-lover-new-book-claims.html#ixzz1Hv0MtiRI

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For what it is worth. There is a lot more material on Mr. Gandhi that made my eyes pop.

We must know and feel our own truths. We are blessed to live in a time of great deception, so we can better polish our organs of perception.

Be well. More in a bit.

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60 Comments leave one →
  1. George permalink
    March 28, 2011 6:46 pm

    It is clear to any with half a brain that all things today happen because of planning and permission from the Globalists.

    There are no accidents. They are planned false flags to eliminate opposition.

    I, for that reason, never fly, don’t buy from any business that is not local and community oriented, and put very very little (monthly payments only) in a bank. I immediately upon receipt of any Federal Reserve Cotton Fiat Paper purchase Silver or Gold with it the day I get the Federal Reserve Debt Notes. That way I have “real” money and not worthless pieces of paper than will eventually reach their true intrinsic value of zero.

    • March 28, 2011 7:03 pm

      Wise George, all around. I’m the same way.
      My trust in the system is a little broken, shall we say.
      Anecdotally, in a previous life, in a sensitive military position, I had met with the then US Commerce Secretary Ron Brown a year before his death, here in india. At the time, I had no clue.

    • April 5, 2011 5:13 pm

      Yes George, I agree wholeheartedly.

      To people commenting below me: remember that thinking is just a mental pastime; it does nothing. Thinking is a game within the game, a mental maze, a trap if you will.

      Our capability for truth extends not much further than our noses, so what use is there to speculate on matters that are outside our sphere of influence? Even if you by chance would stumble upon real facts, thinking about them does nothing.

      People of purpose act.

  2. velobabe permalink
    March 28, 2011 7:43 pm

    ORI, i liked the subject. i believe all of what you say, i don’t know if it is the truth. but it is always good to hear two sides of a story. there absolutely is always two sides in everything. just like that pendulum article. i think i mentioned, i barely got out of H.S. with a graduating paper. i never believed anything i had to read and test on. i knew it was all make believe. i remember when kennedy was shot, we got out of school early to play is all i recall. i really didn’t buy into anything, they tried to teach me. i remember taking a lot of art history courses, cause i was a fine art major. they would show abstract to modernism to Renaissance, give us their spin on meaning and then we would have to answer a test question, with what they spoke was the final interruption. jeeze, ORI can you imagine how awlful my test scores were. i got really good grades in all of my doing art work though. do you know that in american art history 101, you had to buy this really huge blue book. called the bottom line to study art history in america. not one reference to the Asian arts. it had a disclosure: we don’t believe that any art or architecture came out of asia.

  3. March 28, 2011 8:15 pm

    In the musical world I see a lot of people that hold other artists on some pretty grand pedestals. Beethoven, and Bach are two that come immediately to mind that are held with great reverence. So often people seem to forget that these great musicians were just human beings like you and me, but these musicians are idealized as if the rest of us are not capable of ever achieving what they did.

    I think it could be possible that people do this in order to rationalize their own mediocrity. If we view the great figures of history as some demi-god then we can easily assume that we will never do something as great as they. Most are always looking for greatness elsewhere and not within themselves, which is where the true greatness lies.

  4. bethincary permalink
    March 28, 2011 8:32 pm

    Yep–have long suspected the Lockerbie bombing since both UK/CIA withheld key info on.
    I knew about hostage exchange with UK/fo BP to get oil..Also had very recently read that Ghadaffi was going to demand gold instead of dollars.. This, as is well known now after Iraq War, is what Saddam had proposed jsut weeks b4 US invaded..
    See also–Mossedegh/oil policy–and BP in Iran..
    Clearly the US is making sure the Mideast stays in petro-dollars-and both banksters/FED with their massive gambling debts–don’t want the dollar to sink even more-by seeing how truly devoid of value the dollar really is in terms of exports/manufacturing/GDP..
    Instead of getting any kind of longterm energy policy and longterm manufacturing goals for peace and prosperity, we are left with the sociopathy of our MIC and banksters and their crisis-manufacturing playing both arsonist and fireman to profit off taxpayers..
    It’s a futile, strung-together 100 yr trend of short term manufactured crisis’ for the oil/MIC–creating a longterm Unstable country of boom/bust profiteering scams which does not bode well for our future with it’s massive wealth distribution.
    Finding jobs that do not equate with petrol and bankster fraud-but on TANGIBLE manufacturing GDP jobs HAS to be our goal..

    or we have no future..

  5. nonclaim permalink
    March 28, 2011 8:33 pm

    This king of full-on assault on prominent figures is going on in many countries… It seems the objective is to discredit any good a public person has ever done, as if a negative act would cancel a positive one in a zero sum game.

    Once people taken as good examples (regardless of their faults) are discredited, the population (country, village, etc) that had a moral leader became cynics and lose “faith in humanity” for a while when they can be guided or exploited by the person or group that did the assault.

    Be careful with conflicting views. They sound like you have to make a choice when you don’t have to…

    • March 29, 2011 6:18 am

      In-deed nonclaim, and it is clearly by design. They were built up so that later they could be taken down. Take Gandhi’s letters as an example. How come they always turn up at in-convenient moments.
      It is precisely so that these false gods that people cling to because they are not aware of their own core, once ripped away, leave such people un-balanced, easy to herd.

      I think conflictiing views are in-convenient but absolutely necessary. It is every man/woman for their “self”. As it should be. Not “self’-ish”, but fully your “self”.
      Thanks for sharing.

  6. March 28, 2011 9:11 pm

    I am my own hero every since a priest in high school couldn’t explain why I felt so empty even though I was doing all the ‘right’ things. I believe people can do good and many often do, but that doesn’t mean the same people can’t do evil. To be honest, all I know of Gandhi is a couple of phrases I never bother to quote… not because they’re not good, but because I prefer to quote myself. I do think history is written by winners, and winners many times play dirty.

  7. Zenscreamer permalink
    March 28, 2011 9:23 pm

    Essentially:
    “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!”

    Ideals and “role models” are just another illusion: a distraction from the Real in the present moment.

    I heard third-hand the following idea: any story I hear second-hand is a lie. Live accordingly.

    Thanks Vivek. 🙂

    • September 12, 2012 2:27 pm

      Excellent code to live by Zenscreamer. Sorry for the….errrr… delayed response 😉

      When it’s time, it’s just time, eh?

  8. March 28, 2011 11:14 pm

    Very much enjoyed the post, as usual. Forgive me if I’m being dull, but are you saying that Ghandi had “feet of clay” because he was homosexual?

    • March 29, 2011 6:12 am

      KC, please see response to svs above and single’s comment.
      Yes, I am implying that, as I would have if he indulged in beastiality or any other perversion. He was a flawed individual, deeply at that. His halo is undeserved.

      • March 29, 2011 12:46 pm

        You equate homosexuality with beastiality?

        • March 29, 2011 1:07 pm

          KC, we are going down a needless path here. Mercury is retrograde and things will get mis-understood.
          Perhaps we can let this lie or forget about it. perhaps the undercurrent of what i am trying to convey is not clear.
          But that is okay too. Please read deeper into the piece and read what I’ve said above and below the Gandhi piece.
          Thanks for sharing.

      • March 29, 2011 1:28 pm

        Okay, I’m willing to move on, as I admit a huge disappontment upon reading your point of view on Gandhi’s sexuality. Maybe I needed to be reminded that you are, like all of us, “merely” human and greatly influenced by cultural conditioning…A reminder to keep my own truths closest of all while I seek greater understanding of the world. I don’t have to always share your (or anyone’s) view in order to gain from your insights.

        Thanks for your considerate responses.

        • March 29, 2011 1:36 pm

          Indeed KC, that is an awesome place to be and I am merely human too. Of course! 🙂
          In fact, I just posted this in response to someone asking me the same thing om another site, perhaps it will clarify my position a bit better.

          “Gandhi was just another inflated icon, a useful tool for the british.
          His demi-god status is entirely un-warrented, not because he swung both ways or not at all. It is because he was just an enabler for divide and conquer, is all. A patsy.”

  9. singletrack permalink
    March 29, 2011 2:12 am

    “There are no great men. Only men”

    Revolutions and change happens because of the masses of people changing beliefs and attitudes in a natural process with each other in their own lives, not because some “leader” or “prophet” exploits this natural process and takes credit for it. These “Great men” and “leaders” are nothing more than exploiters of this process for their own grandiosity and are no different in principle from the very men they are “trying to liberate the people from”

    The civil rights movement was happening before MLK and would happened even if he was never born.

    The great lie of civilization to claim one man can make such a difference and that some event of great proportion involving the masses would not have happened if this person did not exist. The same grandiosity and delusion required by those who have been in power to believe in their own deity like power and god like existence. The same lie we are indoctnornated in school to believe so those cowards and psychopaths in power can believe in their delusion of their own grandour. The idea of this powerful person is a delusion and it can only stay as truth only as long as other people believe the lie and validate it by worshiping people. The same worship of our parents forced upon us as kids and the worship of our parents being taught as something good by the system at large. This worship is the basis for the control and their power in our adult lives. The basis is set at a very young age.

    The delusion in psychology where we all have this “ego” “id” and “superego” as a natural state and how we all have to fight this and have all the splits of personality we fight. The split is intentional and is what keeps us chained up and enslaved in our minds and this split is how our minds are controlled and the nuclear family is what creates this split and the means of control over our minds which then controls our bodies. Our natural state as human beings is not to have this split. The split is created to divide and conquer our minds by our parents to control us, then we are controlled the rest of our lives by these mythical “leaders” and belief in them and wanting to be one of them while feeling guilty at the same time for wanting that power.

    We are in some ways a perverted computer where a rogue program has been laid upon the base program which is in equilibrium and this rogue program attempts to create “balance” in a perverted state. This perverted program is forced upon us by our parents being called by society as “good parenting” and “make him become something good and useful” and called a virtue by society. Using scare tactics to make us believe we are defective and we need all their “goods” and “knowledge” to bring us to “balance” when this “balance” on the pendulum is actually what enslaves us. The goal is to go back to equilibrium and reject the pendulum and “balance” which can never be achieved in the pendulum when one is always being pulled like a magnet between the two poles.

    The key is to find what binds one to the pendulum and break the braided steel rod that binds us to the pendulum and what makes one desperately protect the center of this pendulum and the fear instilled in our hearts when we try to trace the maze of knots and turns that a single strand of this steel cable enslaves us to the center feel that terror of knowledge and questioning and the terror that the naming and awareness of the thought and idea and concept which hides from us so we cannot see the strand and break it. The fear and terror is the key to freedom of the imprisonment of the mind. This is a thick cable full of splinters and traps and bombs that go off if we try to untangle it too soon without seeing where it goes and how far it goes and the bitter place it can end up. The truth at the end of each strand and how the strand will loop back on itself like a recursive function and full of so many loops and contradictions and having to hold many contradictory things as true at the same time. But, at the end of the line, the line becomes clear and the knots and restraints unravel itself once the path the strand takes is revealed. And anger and terror is used to distract one from taking this path and one’s worst fears and terrors will be revealed upon this path to stop one’s mind from seeing the truth and tracing every inch of this line. The terror placed upon us as children in the form of physical and verbal and sexual abuse so we would not be able to trace the truth path of each strand in this twisted perverted cable.

    • March 29, 2011 6:11 am

      Well put all around single. I’d encourage everyone to read your comment.
      Thanks for sharing.

    • March 29, 2011 11:28 am

      I like this direction that you are implying;

      “We are in some ways a perverted computer where a rogue program has been laid upon the base program which is in equilibrium and this rogue program attempts to create “balance” in a perverted state.

      Increasing perfection dictates that we must see the opposites. We are both light and dark.

      “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”

      Something of a stop gap as the parable goes… The only remedy is the mirror of life and the balance that could show us. If you see your faults in others, how can you criticise fairly.

      There are no final solutions or judgements, we have to see the opposites fairly. Then the phoenix can rise from what once was, to a better existence and new lessons to learn…

      Thank you for this point to ponder.

      Eso

      • singletrack permalink
        March 30, 2011 6:28 am

        “If you see your faults in others, how can you criticise fairly.”

        Ah, this is a logic loop kind of like a loop without an exit in a computer program designed to prevent people from seeing the truth and criticizing those who enslave us and those in power and belief that one needs “credendtials” to be able to criticize fairly or instead of it being criticism, just one’s own perceptions and experiences and thoughts on the matter at hand. Or prevent all attempts to look at the truth by saying what you say is invalid if you had done it too.

        The key to breaking out of any loop is to find the false assumption that makes this loop true and seeing the assumption as what it is – an assumption without any validity. By definition, an assumption is just that – a concept believed to be true just because one believes it to be true.

        My question to you is, what assumption one must make to make this logic loop be true? Or another way, what are they linking in this statement they assume to be a valid link in concept that is not a valid link, but an assumed link in this chain?

        Logic loops are just another pendulum in a perverted binary false world we live in.

        • March 30, 2011 5:58 pm

          Excellent points made single. Really appreciate your joining the discussion here.
          Thanks for sharing.

    • Tambora permalink
      March 29, 2011 8:46 pm

      Well, if Vyasa had been killed, Bishima would have been forced to succeed to the throne of Kuru and the whole maharabat shebang would never have occured.

      So Vyasa, in a very negative way, became a ‘great man’ who changed the course of history.

      What was he fiddling about when his descendants were killing one another and practically the entire Indian world? Vyasa should have been killed , or at least castrated at the spot, when the king took his mother to be wife. That way, if the dynasty lacked an heir, someone like Bumanyu would have popped up, courtesy of the gods.

  10. March 29, 2011 5:07 am

    hmmm….don’t really see the connection re: Gandhi. Even if the claims in the book are true and he was homosexual (and he might even have been a terrible father) but that’s something entirely different than saying that he was a British patsy who left a cynical and self-serving legacy….for that you will need proofs of a different kind.

    Out of curiosity, are you saying that his autobiography is a lie as well?

    • March 29, 2011 6:10 am

      Yes svs. His whole persona is a fiction. Carefully crafted. He was done away with when his usefulness was at end.

      And as for the truth of the books claims… the thing is we have been acculturated to believing that all genius is allowed to be flawed. The absent-minded professor, the mean, irritable, irascible scientist, the sexually predatory musician… and I find that totally ridiculous. As fractal creatures, where our “whole”ness is repeated at every level, true genius would be balanced in every sphere of their lives. A grotesque personality will have that grotesquenss reflected/refracted in the very work that makes them famous. But again, we have been acculturated into accepting this as A-Ok.

      It’s uncomfortable to let go of our conditioned responses. Gandhi/”Chacha” Nehru…. The Gracious Lord Mountbatten, the long suffering Sonia Gandhi, giving her life for the Indian people…. on and on and on. Each one of these legends is built on a lie of staggering proportions, so that the ensuing cognitive dissonance if exposed would shut down the debate instantaneously. Mission accomplished.

      And un-fortunately or otherwise, sex, that very reason of our creation, is at the Root “chakra” of all these flawed geniuses for god reason. it is the foundational force. If you are wrong with it, you are probably generally wrong. Think pedophile priests of catholicism as an egregious but true example.

      • March 29, 2011 11:45 am

        I agree with the premise of showing both sides, however the realisation of error, is not solely relegated to the “Sex centre”. It (realisation) must also reflect in the other centres as well.

        Thanks sincerely for the controversy…( if you know what I mean)

        Eso

        • March 29, 2011 12:09 pm

          Indeed I do Eso and you are welcome.
          I’ve already learned so much from “Then I am”. And one thing was I realized I’d been living thus : I always look for the most painful corn, individual or collective (obviously first my own) and then I squeeze it.
          I know the sex center issues always do the job well. No one is free from/of it’s tenacious hold on life. And why should we be? We are here because it exists. It is the baseline, the root (chakra even).

          I have no desire to be comfortably numb. 😉

          Thanks for sharing.

  11. bingaling permalink
    March 29, 2011 12:28 pm

    Yes ,no man is an island we are all responsible for the good and the evil in the world . To put responsibility on one man’s or country’s shoulders is enfantile . To judge another is to judge yourself . You, me, we allow it . The opportunity to do something is always there for someONE and everyONE. Ghandi took the opportunity , Ghaddafi took it, MLK took it , members of the CIA took it , Groups of men get together and TAKE it . But it is there for everyone .

    I dont care if Ghandhi sucked pole or if MLK had a harem they were men brave enough to make the most of the opportunities that were in front of everyONE.

    • March 29, 2011 12:40 pm

      I disagree bing, I know they were created. They were not brave enough or any such thing. They were raised and put on the stage for a role that they played and were then disposed of.
      And none of the bravery you speak of brought a “higher” anything as a result. Context, it’s all about larger and larger contexts. We should not be shooting from the trees when the woods are ours, eh?
      Thanks for sharing.

  12. velobabe permalink
    March 29, 2011 2:41 pm

    SEX and GOD are both, OVER RATED†

  13. dublinmick permalink
    March 29, 2011 2:58 pm

    This is an excellent train of thought Ana. Indeed the whole charade has a Carlos Castaneda and the separate reality feel about it does it not? Until recently Ghandi had me fooled. I have the book in my book case. However I came to the conclusion long ago most of the chimera is a lie. I think students show a lack of interest in history because they innately feel they are being propagandized. I know I did. George Washington probably cut down the entire cherry orchard out of spite.

    I have lowered my requirements for heroism, internet bloggers are my heroes these days. I also feel I have an innate ability to tell who is on the level and who is not. The great masonic class has exposed themselves to a great extent by contorting the program to such unbelievable heights people are catching on.

    We should throw away everything we have been told and investigate for ourselves. I consider myself a fact finder but as I said above, Ghandi had me buffaloed. Martin Luther King was spotted in Norway drunk and chasing women down the hall. I am sure many of us have done some drinking and chasing women, but the point is we don’t claim Sainthood or to have been on top of the mountain. He was also meeting with soviet agents in Mexico and that was when it was still under the oligarchs and global control people.

    Now as for the homosexuality angle, it never ceases to amaze me how we can angle for truth but there is a mindset that homosexuality must be accepted at all costs. I am sorry but it is not a normal condition. It will lead to the total extinction of the human race if carried to a final conclusion. Yes I do view it as an abberation and all the brow beating and consternation will not change my opinion on it ever. The Hollywood crowd will surely get around to promoting necrophilia before it is over. It fits right in with sterility and population reduction along with GMO and vaccines.

    The internet does provide us with some of those humorous points in life we would never hear of without it. The crowd of 500 attempting the arrest of a judge in Britain recently was a case in point where some in the crowd referred to the queen as mafia boss Elizabeth Battenberg. Now that is classic!

  14. Lightswitch permalink
    March 29, 2011 3:36 pm

    Wow- this is a great post/discussion. “And none of the bravery you speak of brought a “higher” anything as a result. Context, it’s all about larger and larger contexts.”

    This is dead-on. If a great number of individuals, and thus a greater portion of society reaches “higher” collective consciousness- a “higher” collective existence, it will be through the internal work of individuals, and not the grandstanding of a leader. A leader can only provide words.

    Obama’s cynical election campaign was constructed on the backs of MLK and Ghandi. He (and his handlers) knew exactly the right notes to hit, with populist nods to civil rights, financial reform, ending military imperialism blah blah blah…he is a student of the power of cult-of-personality, and how this shapes minds. When the hero-leader tactic is deployed skillfully, people believe that simply witnessing the slick words of such a “leader” they are facilitating change without needing to do a thing. We love to out-source our internal power to illusions of all forms and sizes, but most commonly to the hero-leader.

    • September 12, 2012 2:30 pm

      A timely, historical echo, to your point Lightswitch…. apologies for the delay in re-sponding…

  15. March 29, 2011 4:44 pm

    Funny how in order to underscore the deceitfulness of history we’ve used up so many key strokes and time discussing it. Things persist when we give them energy.

  16. Stan permalink
    March 29, 2011 4:51 pm

    Your article on Libya reminded me of the Iraq event.
    Even those considered investigators were misled into thinking it was all for oil.
    The turmoil in the Middle East is not by chance, but by design.
    Knowledge is a GOOD THING:
    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_oilwar.htm

  17. Straykitty permalink
    March 29, 2011 4:53 pm

    Knowledge: as opined by me, one who believed lies for a lifetime and is only now in the process — hopefully — of awakening.

    True Knowledge — and its Belief System — must be approached backward. Cause and Effect. Effect and Cause.

    We on this site have seen many Effects that make us despair. This world makes us despair. 2011 makes us despair. What beliefs can cause people to kill each other and do despicable acts to one another? (This land is mine, you can’t have it. This gold was meant for me, you can’t have it. This oil was meant for me, you can’t have it. This future was meant for me, you can’t have it. I’m special. I’m Chosen. It’s mine, mine, mine…)

    Each of us has to personally take this Effect and trace it back to its Cause. We must look farther back than Barack Obama and George W. Bush, I suspect. Back, back, back to beliefs that men should kill in the name of good…of god…of God…

    What Cause are we lead back to? Who was this good…god…God? We must take care. Propaganda and brain-washing have been around a long time. Ancient books designed with an agenda in mind? Is there another? We have been taught there is a False Christ. Was there a False God?

    The Cause each must discover on his own. Does this search really have much to do with the petty habits and flaws we see in each other every day? I doubt it.

  18. Tambora permalink
    March 29, 2011 8:26 pm

    I always thought Gandhi did more harm than all of the British Raj combined.

    He retarded Indian Independence, and he and his crony Nehru whose family is the de facto royal family of India.

    Gandhi should be reassessed and be struck from the pantheon of great people in India. He is not qualified.

    • March 30, 2011 9:58 am

      Well said Tambora. It’s such a sign of the times though eh? WE worship our abusers as gods.

      Thanks for sharing.

  19. Stephen Baze permalink
    March 29, 2011 10:11 pm

    Both excellent reads. and so many interesting comments. I must say I agree with everything Dub mentioned . It seems like simple common sense and self evident that if it were natural to be homosexual/lesbian none of us would be here now would we , therefore no other proof is necessary as to whether it is natural in the order of life on this planet, it isn’t. And that doesn’t even have anything to do with the deviance and atrocities committed by those that practice such things. The crimes against children and others have been forced to be accepted by the gay/les movement via PRAVDA and of course our own gov here in US. Not saying you can’t be gay or whatever , but insisting on how right it is or natural, borders on adsurdity/insanity. Just goes to show how gullible and ignorant the masses have become to accept anything they are spoon fed en masse. I know someone who was molested by a gay and they look at it quite differently than mainstream hysteria of gay is OK? Actually I know numerous but one stands out above the rest.

    Velo- I disagree, sex and God are both totally under rated IMO, just depends on what you call God and how much incredible responsibility you perceive comes with sex. We have the power to create human life via sex and I would say that has been vastly underrated in our culture. Once we understand our power/responsibility in sex it takes on an entirely different meaning/experience. I admit freely I was a whore in my youth so not saying the act of sex is not a good thing or that I did not participate in abundance , it certainly is a thing of joy and beauty, but only under certain circumstances and that is the real point of understanding. With modern birth control methods there is no reason for any of this to be a problem but it is, only because people have so little regard for their power to create life. We are nearly gods in that respect and simply don’t acknowledge or understand it! Also sometimes there is only one side if the truth or reality is an issue in a matter? Always insisting that both sides of any issue have validity or can be correct is kind of like saying murder/genocide etc is OK. Agreed some issues are more gray than others, but I have found gray gets us into lots of unsolvable problems, better to err on the side of caution/prudence/humility in most things but not all things, so we must THINK before we act. A very wise guy once said to me “if there aint no God there sure ought to be” I found this to be a profound statement ever since. Hope things are going better for you.

    Zen – I disagree with killing Buddha or anybody else without due cause? Ponder that. No matter how we might want to fight it, humans must have boundaries. There is no other way without complete and total chaos some of which we are seeing right before our eyes today! And evil does exist but only in the minds of men it seems. So I ask you, if you came home and a person was raping your daughter as she screamed for your help and a butcher knife or other weapon was laying within easy reach would you kill that person or attempt to? Most would but many will not admit it until they are put in that type of situation because they do not understand they are in fact quite capable of such a reaction. Given the right stimuli, anybody can become a killer. Believe it or not ? Doesn’t mean that is our normal or everyday perspective. But I can assure you this is true for most people by far. The only other reactions are some form of breakdown or 100% denial/flight. A bit uncomfortable to some, but real none the less. Some here on this blog will be tested perhaps sooner than we might think in such events although not necessarily rape, but perhaps life threatening.

    Tut – many winners do play dirty, it is very obvious these days and abundant for all to see. Some of it depends on what we would call winning?

    SVS – I think being a poor father is in itself some what of a crime, especially under the circumstances presented which was completely abandoning ones family/children for self satisfying reasons .

    Vivek -will follow up reading, fascinating stuff and again thnx for the venue to wander into uncharted territory so to speak. The Libya thing was excellent indeed mostly because of the source/perspective. Seen some of it first hand myself in times past(not Libya). As I have said , the illusions are many and far better to know that, than not. To be clear , anybody who wants to practice gay/les lifestyles have at it , but please don’t try to force me to accept it as normal or anything less than deviant for the simple reasonings I gave above. Are people born with mixed sexual proclivities and body parts, yes and so are many born deformed in many ways thru no fault of their own. And simply realize many intelligent and good people have been duped on many issues, myself as well certainly, many times. Time to rethink this issue for many.

    Junk away, oh you can’t but I know you will want to 🙂 sexuality is a very personal thing and should remain that way unobstructed by government or group think/nonthink/mind police so to each his own just keep it to yourself and don’t harm others with your actions, then no problem exist’s, it is only when a group forces thoughts/practices that a problem exist, so none should exist. Kinda like trying to push a string, it simply doesn’t work ?

    Too many interesting comments/concepts to speak to, Good luck to all !

  20. Stephen Baze permalink
    March 29, 2011 11:01 pm

    Vivek – Your comments today on Japan about our blinders being more or less permanent now applies to many issues indeed. Between Katrina and Fukushima I think the human race is being given a huge message. It is completely clear we humans are blinded by our egos and greed and we have no leadership. That is one of the grandest illusions that allow TPTB to maintain the status quo. We really are like a herd of sheep being prodded in the appropriate direction by our rulers/owners/controllers on nearly everything we can think of. Kinda like this.

    • March 30, 2011 6:01 pm

      Awesome clip Stephen. Thanks for sharing it.
      So strange, “they” always “broadcast” their plan, their play-book and their intentions. And yet, again and again, like sheep to the shearer we go!

  21. Stephen Baze permalink
    March 29, 2011 11:35 pm

    Vivek – not sure if you already saw this but likely most haven’t . I too am somewhat amazed at the apathy and acquiescence towards this travesty. Perhaps I should not be but I am and I have seen considerable horrors. Makes me feel like we are living in the Twilight Zone or some mind altering state of non feeling/thinking. As though the entire world went insane just a few months ago or fairly recently. I think it is the “time” we are in or “era” we are in. Seems as though time is moving much faster toward and ever pressing end?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guardian-reports-core-reactor-2-may-have-melted-concrete-floor-radioactive-lava-next

  22. Stephen Baze permalink
    March 29, 2011 11:47 pm

    For those unfamiliar with ZH the comments are as good or better as the articles, very informative/enlightening/sometimes stupid and at times entertaining. All fuel for thought, mostly related to trading and economics
    I rarely post there but enjoy the info much! Huge egos. but lots of smarts as well.

  23. dublinmick permalink
    March 30, 2011 1:12 am

    If you see the Buddha on the road, don’t try to kill him, ask him if he will give you the time of day. He is from beyond the 12th, we are not.. A Buddha is much more valuable to the world.

    • March 30, 2011 6:00 pm

      Dub, actually that is a famous Koan from a Zen Master. it literally means don’t be attached to any form, any acheivement, any idol…. they are all chimeric ephemera anyways. It’s not literal at all. Thus is came from ZenScreamer! 🙂

  24. Stephen Baze permalink
    March 30, 2011 3:36 am

    This world likely needs more Buddha’s and less sheep, IMO , but that probably won’t happen until the thinning out takes place at least.

  25. Vee Wong permalink
    March 30, 2011 4:51 am

    I am almost speechless. Excelent all around. Thanks to Vivek bringing all into.

    Just one thing to add for the moment, all that lays before us now-here is to perhaps wake us (or make us awake/more awake), from 27th, 12th, dieties, leaders, icons (patsies?), come the singular (not truth, not un-truth, duality that feeds the ego that conditioning info fed into. I wonder if this awakening also add to the pull (down of course) on the pendulum that gives it driving power to swing back and forth, until…

    They (does it matterwho are they?) know more (than we do) so they can exploit the knowledge (believe it or not, even celestial, astro, ether…) to gain, regain, withhold power to control us sheeples (the not-yet-awaken, my ego never liked that word although it tells my 180-degree its ok).

    It is a disciplinary scheme to condition us, perhaps?

    Hamlet: And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. …

    I am learning, hopefully awaken more…

    Thanks for sharing.

  26. March 30, 2011 9:31 am

    Dear anadianant,

    i like your thoughts and writings.
    Keep up free thinking.
    Everybody who gives his Pledge to an idiologie, stops thinking and starts repeating his masters voice.
    Be nobel, but resist PC!
    Greeting to the far ocean, may it be californian or indian, iam living in the middel of them. 🙂

    • March 30, 2011 5:57 pm

      Wilkommen strack, glad to have you here and feel free to share pertinent thoughts as you feel called.
      HMV….hah!

      🙂

  27. March 31, 2011 8:28 am

    My question to you is, what assumption one must make to make this logic loop be true? Or another way, what are they linking in this statement they assume to be a valid link in concept that is not a valid link, but an assumed link in this chain?”

    One answer “Self Discovery”, Gibberish is not only relegated to the simple mind, it can also infect the” self proclaimed” highly developed logical mind. On the path there are many crossroads and forks on the trail, knowledge may be the signposts one encounters along the way, but as without so within, signs can be tampered with. There is no guarantee except maybe the truth within, (where one sees I did that too??) that allows one to see the truth without.

    In some circles they call this magnetic centre. To recognise faults existing in another, as also existing in oneself, cancels the friction that would be normally generated allowing for greater movement overall.

    One who sits down at a crossroads and declares ” There is nothing real! “, is like a child who throws a tantrum, refusing to go any further. The truth actually requires the hardest work, one will ever face.

    Eso

  28. March 31, 2011 8:35 am

    I have no desire to be comfortably numb.

    Pink Floyd … Excellent!!! There is some real knowledge in “Esoteric Rock” one must listen to the lyrics carefully.

    Eso

    • April 1, 2011 5:54 am

      Eso, I don’t listen anymore, listened very carefully in the days I did. I was a rocker in my own right (or wrong) back in the day. A three chord wonder.
      And in these days of increasing serendipity, I was standing on the balcony of a building yesterday evening, smoking my bidi and from someone’s Apart-ment came the sounds of “Comfortably Numb”. 🙂 Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii I, have become…… like that!

      🙂

      • April 1, 2011 9:26 am

        Yes you have my friend, yes you have. Like all octaves, that which was important, becomes unimportant. Everything bends and arcs back to the beginning. When there is no more energy in the impression, one must play the (magical) musical instrument, sounding again the note “Do”.

        In everything there is something, the key is to sift the grains from the chaff.

        I hope you enjoyed the “bidi”. Rudyard Kipling said in his poem“The Betrothed ,” “And a woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke.”

        Thanks for the reply

        Eso

  29. dublinmick permalink
    April 5, 2011 6:51 am

    I used to pick out a few tunes myself, G,C,D. You can play the easy ones with those like bad moon rising and Neil Young’s sailing hard ships through broken harbors. I never could make a bar chord. People used to ask me why I like bad moon rising and I always told them this is not a song it is a prophecy. As I look around me……yep.

  30. dublinmick permalink
    April 7, 2011 6:39 pm

    Shiva is really dancing now!

    A most amazing story submitted to Rense, you will have to read it for yourself.

    “The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady purpose, an iron will and a grim task unknown to outsiders. The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities hidden inside Japan’s civilian nuclear power plants.”

    “The White House has to turn a blind eye to the radiation streaming through American skies or risk exposure of a blatant double standard on nuclear proliferation by an ally.”

    HAARP huh? Give me a freaking break.

    Yoichi Shimatsu, a Hong Kong based environmental writer, is the former editor of the Japan Times Weekly. Surprise, his cellphone seems to be cutoff periodically with people he is in contact with in Japan.

    http://www.rense.com/general93/hid.htm

    Japan has experienced another 7.4 quake as reported by Swiss SED

    http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/eq/latest/index_EN?list=w

    and mentioned on the MSN by the sock puppets. It has not yet appeared in

    http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/

    More later if I can figure out what exactly is taking place.

    • April 8, 2011 4:39 pm

      Yup Dub, the next phase begins, clearly feels like it. All the elements, including the aether seem dissonant. I’m findign it harder to make music, which is an interesting feeling.

      Thanks as always for the thoughts, links et al.

  31. john permalink
    April 15, 2011 5:40 pm

    ORI-like your post on ZH today-you lived in the States,right? Americans were frugal until the 1970’s then the firewater effect of cheap credit killed us. Also your post about water shortages, I think Cananda and the states bordering the Great Lakes have a treaty not to pump water to neighboring States in the future. Also are you interested in Krishnamurti’s teaching at all?

  32. Stephen Baze permalink
    May 1, 2011 7:42 am

    Vivek and Dub – I think the blacklout on Jpana and radiation in US is purely economic driven. In last weeks Nikkei index has gone up 400 points on what good news? Radiation and more earthquakes and SP downgrades? The japanese gov is buying Nikkei futures to keep market from totallu collapsing just like US did with SP prior to congress elections. If ehy admitted how bad it all really is everyhting would collapse and people in US would come unglued. I have no idea how long they can keep up this amazing charade. It is exactly the same as GOM, but perhaps worse. Where are all the democrat greenies of the past now that it is a dems doing? just saying double standards abound and we are all getting radiated and nobody will tell us how much? The EPA has refused to test salmon and steelhead here in Oregon and give no real answer why not? What is going on here isn’t that their job by mandate? Used to be? I think this admin is worse than Bush in mnay ways. Yes they could be hiding nuke faciltiies, but I think it is 100% economically driven and hidden. A much more likely and simpler answer. PRAVDA is very effective are they not ?

    Here chew on this. and enjoy check out the bass player she is 16 years old

  33. Sparkey permalink
    June 11, 2013 1:10 pm

    First we change the language, then we get the desired response, to wit, in Ghandi’s time to be a homosexual was to be a `Pervert or a Degenerate`, it is hard to imagine two people going to their religious authority and saying, “We are perverts, we want to marry and adopt children”, yet now to be `Gay` and Married, means you have a good chance to do just that!

    • June 11, 2013 1:36 pm

      Interesting and true, it IS all about the languag-ing and it’s subtle control. See : https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/the-deep-perversion-of-language/

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